Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:49 am
Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:22 pm
QuotidianPerfection wrote:First of all, Obama does not deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. He did, however, condemn torturing political prisoners.
In fact, he is the first president to try a terrorist before a civilian court, rather than a military tribunal.
If you are interested in whether torturing a person can make a person tell the truth, just watch Goya's Ghosts, a movie about the Catholic Inquisition. During ome scene, a patrician family demonstrates to an Inquisitor how, under duress, a person will admit to anything.
But whereas Obama makes strides to correct a problem
The Kathyn Forest massacre, while ochestrated by Russians, is equally as deplorable as Hitler's massacre of Jews in Germany.
If Hitler despised moneylending, for instance, he did not have to pack Jews in concentration camps. All he had to do was implement fines for that particular practice.
Instead of choosing to reason with various Jewish leaders, he vowed to eradicate them, even their babies.
There are plenty of Holocaust camps all over Europe to evidence his attrocities.
Also, if Hitler hated Russia so much, then why did he make pact with Stalin?
A final thought: there is no such thing as a "brainwashing" Jewish media. People have the ability to think for themselves, and should.
After watching the two YouTube documentaries, I came to the following conclusions, which are highlighted above. Feel free, though, to disagree with me if you wish.
Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:19 pm
Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:59 pm
Thanks for the technical advice. Say what you want about Obama, but inhumane treatment of prisoners is a far cry from sentencing Jews, Gypsies, Catholics, homosexuals, and other "abberants" to concentration camps.
And, yes, these camps are in no way mythical--they do exist. Empirical evidence bears this out, as suggested by the following photos captured in this link: http://www.qualityinformationpublishers.com/naziconcentrationcamppictures.aspx. Is this propoganda?
Or, if you prefer witnesses to the attrocities that transpired within these camp, just listen to the following interview with a Holocaust survivor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4IkD82IpMw. (The link I gave you constitutes the first part of a fifteen-part series.)
Here is a YouTube video of Aushwitz, a concentration camp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQ42B-8oCY.
The only person I know so far to advance the theory that the Holocaust never existed is the President of Iran. He was widely condemened for both his insensitivity and failure to recognize the deplorable acts that took place in these concentration camp during Nazi Germany.
And, no, I am not rambling, nor am I straying from the topic. I am just detailing facts, and am allowing you to judge the merit of them.
Your argument is extremely well-articulated, but disintegrates when tested in the light of logic. Thanks, though, for the response.
Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:06 pm
Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:22 am
The only person I know so far to advance the theory that the Holocaust never existed is the President of Iran
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I have read "the other side" to the Holocaust story--which asserts that the gas chambers are fictive.
Let me present to you some optical evidence to show that this is not the case: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/mauthausen/Gas%20Chamber/GasChamberEntrance.html. This is a Mauthausen gas chamber.
Other Nazi "attrocities" were commited outside concentration camps as well.
And, yes, here is a former Nazi who, after seeing "the errors of his ways," describes that the environment which I described in my previous posts did, in fact, exist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGr0g6TsZY&feature=related. Just watch this YouTube view. The description is not engineered by what a controlling Jewish media, but by an ex-Nazi himself.
By the way, just because I do not buy into your opinions, many of which accuse Jews of everything, does not mean that I do not listen to your opinion, nor look at the clips and / or links to which you allude.
By the way, I do not have to brag about my experience in literature--my ability to present a variety of viewpoints which support my perspective, while, simultaneously, refuting other evidence which I encounter--speaks for itself. And, no, I do not bash opinions which I disagree with--I dissect them, then make an informed decision based on what I see and read. And, up to this point, many of your arguments fail to persuade me.
However, you seem to think along the lines that, if X does not think like me, then that individual must be unenlightened. I, though, will continue this debate, even though some of your "assertions" about me are bullshit (I hold an M.A. in English, and a B.A. in Literature and in History).
One last thing: Jews are people like everybody else--why do you think they are all malevolent, RE Virus?
Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:43 am
Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:08 am
QuotidianPerfection wrote:Please do not get me wrong: I do not dislike you as a person, nor do I doubt your anaylitical ability.
Nevertheless, in every response, no matter what I do to show you that murder occured inside the Holocaust camps, you reply by saying 1) it never happened, or 2) sending me "select" Holocaust denial prograpanda, much of which I have already read, to make your case.
Thus, this argument is in a stalemate because I have referenced documents / interviews which have shown that horrific crimes have taken place in these "death camps"
while you have picked a book, picture, or video here and there to deny it.
As a result, the thread is straying from the topic of whether Obama is similar to or different from Hitler, and, instead, becoming a heated debate over whether the Nazi Holocaust is fact or fiction.
I believe that I have proven to my satisfaction in my posts that the Holocaust did, in actuality, transpire.
Our differences on the matter are irreconciable, however, and this particular thread is quickly disintegrating into one where my comments draw your ire and insults.
Henceforth, this is the last post which I will write on this topic.
Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:47 am
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Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:59 am
Good, as you are a total waste of time.
Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:20 am
Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:46 pm
ReVirus wrote:evangelical Zionist neocon dispensationalist nut, whose judgment can hardly be taken seriously
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:59 pm
doyle wrote:ReVirus wrote:evangelical Zionist neocon dispensationalist nut, whose judgment can hardly be taken seriously
Not that I've read what this person said, but I should note, that this isn't stringent enough to be taken as an argument. You have to either show what's wrong with what is being said, not by attacking someone's judgement, essentially an ad hominem fallacy, or act of poisoning the well.
He foolishly says that Arafat was a Soviet agent, a ridiculous idea which originates from the John Birch Society around the McCarthy era. He also parrots ludicrous lies of Jewish supremacists like David Horowitz, claiming that the Mufti of Jerusalem "oversaw" the Holocaust and that there is a "Nazi-Muslim connection".
If these types of arguments are valid, it would be easy enough for me to say that we shouldn't believe what you have to say because it's written by an "anti-semitic, revisionist, white supremacist, nut-job". More people would believe me too, but that is also committing a fallacy ad populum.
So here is my challenge to you. Try to actually formulate arguments that aren't based on, yeah well he's a Zionist, crypto-Zionist, whatever, because they aren't valid. Attacking ethos, while entertaining, and perhaps useful in political debates actually mean nothing when it comes to asserting the states of affairs in the world.
Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:57 pm
Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:17 pm
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:31 pm
Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:59 pm
Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:02 pm
RE Virus wrote:Yes, "historical fact" which you have personally researched for hundreds of hours, as I have, no doubt.
You should scroll to the top of this page an read what I went through with you. I will repeat the simplest of truths:
No archeological digs have been performed. No forensic evidence has been done as to the cause of death (gas chambers) for any mass grave. No ground soil analysis for hundreds of alleged mass grave sites. Not a single document from the documentation-obsessed NS bureaucracy referring to homicidal gassings, systematic mass cremations, extermination policy, etc.
Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:42 pm
"Revisionist" philosophers are also unsure whether the Holocaust is cemented in historical fact.
NA wrote:Can I just ask RE and I don't wish to debate or anything i'm just asking, once you answer i'll sod off again but, what about your thoughts on the German soldiers and officers who survived and claimed they initiated the gassings themselves and so on? Do you believe they're lying... propaganda... don't exist etc? I only enquire because my significant other is German and his family and extended family heritage is extremely close to the war.
As to say I won't judge you or anything, I merely enquire because i'm interested and as you've stated no jew survivor in any of your evidence and QP's evidence mentioned gassing and I wondered on your thoughts from the other side... the guilty side if you will.
Thanks in advance,
Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:21 pm
Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:01 pm
QuotidianPerfection wrote:Hi NA and RE Virus:
Here is undeniable empirical proof that Jews perished in concencentration camp gas chambers during World War II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sUNw2DEtEg. I will provide additional information which establishes the Holocaust as a unrefutable historical fact upon request.
Take care.
Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:52 pm
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