Why bother wasting your energy on Joe Clueless McSheep?

If you recall some 2.5 years ago, when I was "awakening", I was arguing with this poor happy soul (Titan) about 9/11. He still hasn't picked up on anything (unlike yourself, for instance, as you also argued against me if you recall), which should demonstrate that he's a lost sheep. Same with gondee and some others here. I could probably "wake them up" if I really tried, but what's the use? We need people who are able to base their conclusions on real facts and science, not on what Tom O'Rather from ABCNNBCBS/FauxNews tells them.

If you look at the big picture of the situation, it's the lower middle-class non-sheeple that need to be educated -- they will be the ones leading the revolution. The middle-class sheeple, the ones who will believe that Iran and the "terrorists" are responsible for the economic collapse, are going to be in the enemy ranks. So IMHO it's best not to try to help those who have no ability to reason (the willfully ignorant sheep).

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new: a mojor bank in iceland has gone bankrupt. In some way I don't quite understand, the situation has grown out of control and (please people,don't panic!) they say the whole country is broke?!? Did that ever happened before?

My info could be wrong, though. news+dad=not thrustworthy

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Your info is CORRECT ( WOW, did I say that, no way )

I don't know if that ever happened before, anyone ???

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Yes it has happened before. Hyperinflation in Germany after the first world war, and more recently in Zimbabwe.

As I have said before, globalisation has meant that once one major place crashes so will everyone else. The Euro hasn't helped either.

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Do your homework. Zimbabwe is happening right now.

why ur so smart , OK ur right
btw this period of economical crashes can't keep on going forever (this is my logical thinking^^)

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a lot of the third world countries will follow as well. I heard there are counties where you can walk with a big pack of money on your back and stil be poor.




I will act like I haven't heard that.

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If that was at me then, yes I am aware that Zimbabwe is still happening, and yes I didn't make it very clear in the post.

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After reading through the entire thread, I'm still confused. Maybe it's because I'm blonde, maybe it's because, hell, I'm only 18 and I don't understand how the hell banking works despite having a GCSE in Business Studies. IMESHAHO, something tells me that this crisis hasn't really affected Britain yet. But I'm probably blind and before you bite my head off like Ozzy Osbourne did to a bat once........ I just wanna know wtf is going on.

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PSIG, you're already way ahead of most people by admitting that you don't know what is going on. Now, you need to educate yourself. Check out this link: http://www.chrismartenson.com/ and watch the Crash Course. That is your best starting point.

From there, just use Google to research any questions you may have in the material presented (such as looking deeper into the history of the Federal Reserve, or Peak Oil). There is also a lot of good material on that website beyond just the Crash Course.

It takes time and energy, but it is your responsibility to yourself to educate yourself!

Hey elevation, do you know if that Crash Course can be found in a one-part video? My browser slows down to ridiculous levels when trying to play those streaming hi-res FLV files. I couldn't find it on Google Video search.

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why don't u just change ur name ??

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Not that I know of. That sucks your browser can't handle it. It is the absolute best starter course I have ever found, and it is the easiest to digest. It doesn't even bother going into conspiracies, it just shows the fundamental fallacies in the way our system works now.

RE get thee to another computer. You gotta watch the crash course.

Pictures speak louder than words, sometimes.

And then check this one out:
A CNBC analyst criticized Hank Paulson and the Illuminati's strategies. He actually said 'Illuminati' and no one batted an eye.
http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/vi ... IAL_CRISIS

On Monday, Bernanke announced the creation of the Money Market Investor Funding Facility (MMIFF), which will provide $550 billion in liquidity to U.S. money market investors.

Last week, banks borrowed a record $437 billion per day, topping the previous week's $420 billion per day a week earlier.



What we are witnessing, right before our eyes, happening right fucking now, is a total collapse of the global economy. And the way that is playing out is in this kind of crumbling see-saw effect, where one part of the structure starts to dip under all the weight of this debt, so they move the debt to another market, temporarily sending things back up again, and then a new area starts to buckle and convulge under even greater weight, and this process continues, all the way around, crashing the whole goddamn empire down with it.

Errrrrrrrrr... no. I'm not gunna bother going off-topic here because if I do, elevation will give me a huge bollocking.

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What the eff are you doing threadjacketing?

Gondee will change your name if you ask him.

Threadjacketing....? Don't you mean "going off-topic"? Anywayz, let's get back on topic, shall we? Cuz that's what I try to do best. (And sometimes fail.)

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Here's a short youtube video that does not leave anyone indifferent:

Why Wont The Bail Out Work? MUST SEE!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-tBGxVU6o[/youtube]




And here's some satire to relieve yourself from those big scary numbers:

The $3 Trillion Shopping Spree
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgq5suMXCV8[/youtube]

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So, what's your plan then?

How are we supposed to react in a manner conducive to making the problem end? I don't see any other choice then to make peace with the fact that we are powerless over the situation and go on with our lives. What are you so afraid of?

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It means you have to boycott the fucking system. While this is nearly impossible to completely achieve, it doesn't mean you have to totally submit to it all. Just do what you can.

Join your local community's food co-op and get fresh, locally produced food delivered to you. Stop supporting mass-produced factory food.

Get solar panels for your home to help with your increasing energy bill. It'll be worth in the long run, I guarantee it!

Take your money out of the banks, and turn it into things of inherent value like precious metals or supplies to support yourself if the grid goes down.

If you work in the financial or marketing industry, kill yourself. If you push papers for a living, get a real job and actually contribute something to society.

Arm yourself to defend against tyranny.

Turn off your television. Cancel your credit card.

Do everything you can to encourage solidarity between people. Don't be afraid to reach out to those in need. The only way we'll make it is if we work together.


How's that work for you, doyle? It's not a matter of not worrying about it and letting things take care of themselves. It's a matter of becoming the change you want to see in the world and forging a new future for yourself and those around you. You are not powerless. In fact, you are the farthest thing from it. Come on, you know that.

It doesn't even have to be that complicated...

People should stop thinking "The American Dream" is as easy as 1-2-3. Stop getting married at 22, stop having 3-4 kids before you're 30, and your life will be great. Seriously, how much does even 1 kid cost these days? I have a buddy who is 28, just had his 2nd kid, and now he has to take a 2nd job to support his family. Good one... hey, might as well go for a 3rd!!

So stupid.

... that doesn't mean I don't think family is important. But it should mean that you shouldn't have one just because you want one. You should have one ALSO because you can afford to.

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I completely agree Elevation, we need to prepare ourselves for a collapse of the system. What I was asking is not how to react to this inevitability, but instead how can we avoid such a collapse. And, it seems like there really isn't an answer to that question.

And it confirms what I have learned from many a spiritual guide. All structures are unstable; all material things must die; it's what 'is'. Being dispassionate does not mean to be ignorant. When (or perhaps if) this collapse happens, I'll do whatever I can to react in that environment. I won't lose too much sleep over it now though.

The collapse of capitalism is something we need to be aware of, but not be so surprised when it does. Capitalism is a social process humans 'created'. Even the value of gold isn't inherent (although you seem to put a lot of faith into it). Most current Marxist scholars have been saying for years that Capitalism is unsustainable and to prepare for its collapse. But they also say that people created the current economy, we can create a new economy. Especially with the interconnectedness of the world due to technology, we should be able to think our way out of this mess we thought ourselves into.

Given we find a new viable energy source to replace oil, perhaps this correction of our economy, (because this is all what the collapse of the derivatives market would be, a correction since only about 10% of the world's money is financed by real commodities) will usher in a new economic processes that hasn't been formulated yet to take the place of the incredibly irresponsible system we have in place. And if that's not the case, the social experiment of civilization ends.

So we can do several things, we can try to blame people like RE Virus and generally alienate and anger those around you. No amount of blame will fix the situation (believe me, even if certain Israeli nationals are turning some of the cogs of the world, it is irrelevant, what Israel might be responsible for doesn't even amount to a hill of beans compared to what will result due to the practice of deregulated capitalism). State intervention, nor Israel, did not create the derivatives market.

We can also attempt to prepare ourselves for this collapse like elevation (and I honestly believe that no amount of preparation will be enough to make you last more than several weeks). But we shouldn't allow ourselves to be in constant fear. What I think is most important is for people to not worry about the future, not worry about losing everything, not worry about death. It is fear that creates divisions between people.

I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm reading J Krishnamurti, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, learning from people that have spawned a change in my consciousness. When you are able to tap into the 'divine', your problems become meaningless. Enlightenment is the lifting of the veil, seeing through the illusion of your mind-identified egoic-self. The end of fear and suffering. Without this end of fear and suffering, elevation, you are not living, you are simply trying to stay alive.

I am the change I want to see in the world. I want everyone to transcend fear and suffering. I want everyone to tap into this source of eternal contentment. The world would be much better if everyone was simply more conscious. Unless this shift of consciousness happens, humanity is bound to erode, regardless of what action we take. While you may think that my (in)actions are feeding the beast that will destroy us all, it is your own unconsciousness that feeds the beast.

Hopefully this makes things clearer.

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