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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:06 am  Post subject: The Great Global Warming Swindle  
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This is probably the best mainstream media documentary ever made. Very rarely, if ever, will you see this kind of quality investigative reporting in the lamestream media. I applaud Channel 4 for this wonderful expose of the Global Warming scam, which is unlike what I can say about most of their other "exposes", such as their 'The Secret Rulers of the World' series. A must-see documentary!

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The Great Global Warming Swindle

Accepted theories about man causing global warming are "lies" claims a controversial new TV documentary.

'The Great Global Warming Swindle' - backed by eminent scientists - is set to rock the accepted consensus that climate change is being driven by humans.

The programme, to be screened on Channel 4 on Thursday March 8, will see a series of respected scientists attack the "propaganda" that they claim is killing the world's poor.

Even the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, is shown, claiming African countries should be encouraged to burn more CO2.

Nobody in the documentary defends the greenhouse effect theory, as it claims that climate change is natural, has been occurring for years, and ice falling from glaciers is just the spring break-up and as normal as leaves falling in autumn.

A source at Channel 4 said: "It is essentially a polemic and we are expecting it to cause trouble, but this is the controversial programming that Channel 4 is renowned for."

Controversial director Martin Durkin said: "You can see the problems with the science of global warming, but people just don't believe you - it's taken 10 years to get this commissioned.

"I think it will go down in history as the first chapter in a new era of the relationship between scientists and society. Legitimate scientists - people with qualifications - are the bad guys.

"It is a big story that is going to cause controversy.

"It's very rare that a film changes history, but I think this is a turning point and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bollocks.


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'Global Warming Is Lies' Claims Documentary

Back in the 70s (before the World Wide Web) we were all being sold on the fears of a new ice age. No, I am not kidding. The same mainstream media that screams "GLOBAL WARMING" at us today was predicting that the coming of the next ice age would happen within our lifetimes. And back in the 30s, the "fashionable science" was Eugenics, or the undesirability of allowing less than perfect humans to contaminate the gene pool by breeding. All that Hitler did in the name of "Racial Hygiene" was drawn from the American scientists he chose as his inspiration.

The fact is that much of what you think is science is just pop culture, what is trendy to believe in and support, or even religion dressed up as science to make it sell better, such as the "Big Bang." Again back in the 70s the cocktail party cognoscenti were obligated to be able to discuss the origin of consciousness in the triune brain, even though real psychologists had abandoned the theory years ago.

People who are not actually scientists will cling to their pet theories the way they cling to religions. They don't really understand what they are talking about; they just know that is they speak the correct words, their peers will approve of them.

A good example of this mindset is illustrated by two recent news stories, one of which confirms that the level of solar radiation has in fact been increasing and is at a 60 year peak right now, and the announcement that Mars is showing signs of warming right alongside that of Earth. Now, a real scientist will look at those facts and say, "Okay, we need a new theory here." But the "Pop-scientists", the ones who wear science as a fashion accessory, they refuse to look at the facts. I have gotten emails insisting that the warming on Mars has nothing to do with the warming on Earth because, well, just BECAUSE!

Then there are emails such as yours, attempting to twist a simple disagreement of the facts into an attack on the credibility of my whole site. In both cases, no contrary facts are presented, just a resorting to various "authorities" on global warming whose continued funding depends on the continued "existence" of global warming, much as the "authorities" on the coming ice age in the 70s needed a continuing threat of that ice age to exist in the public mind to secure their added funding. Remember the witch hunts of Europe? When people were paid to find witches, they found witches. When people are paid to find global warming, they find global warming. That is the danger of agenda-driven science. One does not get scientific results, one gets political results.

The fact is that the Earth is getting warmer. We just came out of an ice age. Of COURSE it is getting warmer. Earth is currently warmer than the ice ages and cooler than the Cretaceous. It is only human arrogance that dares declare one particular temperature as "correct" or "normal", or dares suggest that the always-changing Earth can or should be locked into one particular temperature, based on that rather arbitrary decision of what is "normal."

Now, I am fully in favor of conservation and wise use of resources. I am also in favor of developing energy alternatives that are as environmentally friendly as possible. I am convinced that had we taken the money wasted on Iraq and put it into research we would not need the oil any more.

But the clamor about global warming is not leading to solutions but merely scares people into buying ill considered policies and products without the careful thought that should go into such decisions. People will buy anything if they are told it is good for the environment.

But the reality is that everything man does affects the environment, no matter how eco-friendly it is claimed to be. Windmills were hailed as the ultimate in safe energy systems, until it was discovered that the disrupted wind flow changed the micro-climates in the lee of the wind farms, and that wind farms built across migratory paths wound up chopping thousands of birds (including endangered species) into bits.

Pop-scientists and cocktail party cognoscenti like to have a single easy theory that explains everything. "The world is getting warmer and if you stop driving your SUV/vote for my politician/buy my product all will be well!" The real world, and real science, are seldom that simple and clean cut. Yes, man undoubtedly has an influence on the Earth's environment. But the reality is that man's ability to change the Earth remains minuscule compared to other naturally occurring forces.

The real purpose of the global warming scare (besides selling candidates and products) is to give people something safe to fret about. Most of the global warming crowd welcome the global warming "cause" because it is safe. They are not in danger of having the government come after them the way pro-peace activists do, or those who expose government cover-ups. The global warmers can walk around with an air of superiority, feeling like they are making a better world without actually having to confront the far more deadly reality of a government that is lying us into war after war after war. That's why the global warmers cling to their religion so tightly. Without it, they would have to deal with some pretty harsh realities.


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Sick And Tired Of Being Lectured By Global Warming Hypocrites

I've had enough of it.

Ninnying fatuous self-important morons who demand that everyone else make sacrifices in the name of mother earth while they zoom around in CO2 belching private jets and lavish themselves in heated swimming pools are hypocrites but perhaps we should be grateful that their frothing absurdities are causing the man-made global warming cult to lose whatever credibility it has left.

Last week, singer Sheryl Crow demanded that we all use one square of toilet paper per bathroom visit to help save the planet. Shortly after these ridiculous comments, the Smoking Gun website uncovered documents showing Crow's touring requirements, which include three tractor trailers, four buses and six cars. I don't even drive a car, so to be lectured about what I can and can't do after I take a shit is a bit rich coming from someone whose "carbon footprint" is bigger than King Kong's treads.

At the British premiere of his movie Wild Hogs, actor John Travolta urged everyone to "do their bit" to fight global warming, warning that "We have to think about alternative methods of fuel."

I fly commercial perhaps once every two years for a brief holiday. Travolta has five private jets parked in his runway (pictured above), has produced an estimated 800 tons of carbon emissions, 100 times more than the average person in the last year, is a "serving ambassador" for the Australian airline Qantas and named his son Jett as a tribute to his love of flying. So when Travolta lectures me about "doing my bit" forgive me for taking it with a pinch of salt.

Al Gore is the messiah for the climate change fanatics and his error-strewn polemic An Inconvenient Truth, has been dispatched to every British school on orders of the Blair government, so that kids may be forcefully brainwashed into accepting that man-made global warming is as much a reality as the surveillance cameras, metal detectors and biometric scanning for lunches that they have to endure as part of their "education."

Gore's 20 room private mansion uses 20 times the national U.S. average of gas and electricity, as Gore lavishes himself in his heated swimming pool while poor people and the middle class await the onslaught of carbon taxes to eviscerate any disposable income they have left.

Gore is behind the spectacle of the Live-8 style Live Earth concerts that will take place in numerous cities around the world on July 7 to raise awareness about climate change. The performers who will be showcased at these concerts include people like Madonna, who owns at least 6 gas-guzzling cars including a Mercedes Maybach, two Range Rovers, Audi A8s and a Mini Cooper S.

According to a report, last year "Madonna flew as many as 100 technicians, dancers, backing singers, managers and family members on a 56-date world tour in private jets and commercial airliners." The singer's Confessions tour produced 440 tonnes of CO2 in four months of last year.

Other acts, including rock group Red Hot Chili Peppers, all use private jets yet are set to throw their stardom behind an effort to propagandize the notion that we are producing too many carbon emissions.

This will all be eagerly lapped up by the majority of Britons, who are zealously supportive of government programs that punish people who don't jump on the climate bandwagon. Fines for putting rubbish in the wrong colored trash can are now commonplace, as state spies roam around leafy suburbs searching through people's bins for evidence of dastardly "enviro-crimes" while tiny cameras are placed inside bean cans to catch potential villains.

The exact level of idiocy these morons embrace was underscored perfectly yesterday when throngs of them queued up outside a London supermarket from 3am to buy "eco-friendly" bags that have become the latest must-have fashion item and another ego trinket for them to grandstand and revel in the pomp that they are saving Mother Earth.

In reality, the bags were made by slaves in China and transported thousands of miles by CO2 belching jet planes. But let's not concern ourselves about that - as long as we can feel good about ourselves while wagging our finger in judgment at anyone who uses those dirty old plastic bags that's all that matters.

These kind of simpletons are also behind the move to completely criminalize the ownership of incandescent light bulbs, despite the fact that their precious "energy saving light bulbs" are loaded with toxic waste that's already banned under EU regulations. They also contain deadly Mercury which will end up in our land fills and our water supply once use of the new CFL bulbs becomes mandatory.

If you still believe in the notion of man-made global warming, then you should be very concerned about the fact that the leading proponents of the theory are all giant hypocrites espousing outlandish and radical measures to combat climate change while fearmongering about doomsday scenarios that will befall us unless we all drastically reduce our carbon footprints, while their own carbon footprints dwarf the average person's by a hundred times or more.

The result of this will be that the mantra of man-made global warming will begin to look increasingly inane and it will eventually lose steam. People with an ounce of common sense will see through the fact that a natural cycle of warming that occurs every few hundred years does not mean the end of the world, and that hysteria is deliberately being whipped up on behalf of governments in order to grease the skids for draconian taxation and control measures that won't even do anything to combat man-made global warming even if it was real, but will do everything to aid the construction of the prison planet that the elite have planned all along.

Meanwhile, real environmental issues like genetically modified garbage poisoning our very food supply, the disappearance of huge swathes of the bee populations across the world, deforestation and toxic waste dumping, all get buried while global warming monopolizes the attention of the phony environmental movement.

No doubt there'll be several responses to this article accusing me of denying that the planet is heating up and saying I'm on the payroll of the oil companies. For those people, I would like to remind you of the fact that it was none other than Peter Sutherland, the chairman of British Petroleum, who rallied his fellow elitists at the Trilateral Commission meeting last month, to exploit the hysteria of global warming in order to impose a standardized carbon tax, a measure that will create artificial scarcity and, just like peak oil, raise prices, reaping billions in profits for oil industry moguls at the very top of the ladder.


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List of global warming activists, now skeptics

Following the U.S. Senate's vote today on a global warming measure, there is a shift taking place in climate science. Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics. The names below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose the perceived alarmism of man-made global warming.


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The Global Warming Agenda

Now that Iran is making fuel rods for their power station, bombing the centrifuges will unleash a radioactive disaster that will make Chernobyl look like a Sunday picnic. Unlike global warming, where the degree of human causality is difficult to determine, the choice to bomb or not to bomb is totally under human control. And while global warming is measured in tiny fractions of a degree over decades, the results of a nuclear disaster are obvious and immediate, as was proven during Chernobyl.

Already the Mideast is suffering the effects of the depleted uranium weapons already used. Now the US wants to bomb Iran's centrifuges and shower the Middle East and Central Asia with uranium compounds. The plume from this attack will travel around the world, and the US will be held to blame for the results.

This is the litmus test for the global warmers. If their agenda really is the protection of the Earth and human life, then they need to be as active in opposing the attack on Iran. If, on the other hand, the global warming issue is just about selling global government, then we will hear little or nothing from the "cult" regarding the very real and irreversible damage to the environment that will result from an attack on Iran's nuclear power system.


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Al Gore Gives Occidental The Right To Obliterate Native American Culture

Occidental's planned drilling of the Elk Hills doesn't only threaten the memory of the Kitanemuk. Environmentalists say a rare species of fox, lizard and the kangaroo rat would also be threatened by Oxy's plans. A lawsuit has been filed under the Endangered Species Act. But none of that has given pause to Occidental or the politician who helped engineer the sale of the drilling rights to the federally-owned Elk Hills. That politician is Al Gore.


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Green Lies and Amazing Truths

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill..."[1] Club of Rome, an elite think-tank working with the UN.

"...we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination.... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts.... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."[2] Stanford Professor Stephen Schneider

"The earth continually warms and cools. The cycle is undeniable, ancient, often abrupt, and global. It is also unstoppable. Isotopes in the ice and sediment cores, ancient tree rings, and stalagmites tell us it is linked to small changes in the irradiance of the sun."[3, page 4] Atmospheric physicist Fred Singer and Dennis T. Avery, Unstoppable Global Warming

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”[4] Christine Stewart, then Canadian Minister of the Environment


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... Yet still many idiots will continue to believe in the myth of man-made global warming -- some of them just because it's the cool thing to believe in, others just because they can't accept the facts -- in the same sense that they believe in the official 9/11 fairy tale.
 

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Regardless of global warming, we are doing damage to the planet, even if it is not irreversible. Spend time in a city like Beijing or LA, and you'll see that we need cleaner fuel sources. It may be a swindle, but it can only have good results.

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Everyone knows the planet goes through periods of warming and cooling. Even though the planet is rapidly warming as of late, a cooling period will occur sometime soon. And then the planet will warm again. Obviously global warming does exist, not definitely positive that it's entirely man made but man does have an influence on it.

As George Carlin said, the planet has existed for years and years and a bit of waste (this was done in the 70's) is going to destory Mother Nature? Give me a break.

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Well, I say to you, the next time you are at a crowded intersection, think of every single combustion engine that is idling and spewing out waste. Now imagine all of the cars in your city, and then imagine all of them in the state. Imagine all the cars in the region, in the country, in the continent, in the world. Now throw in big industry, and the thousands of megawatts of electricity that come from burning of coal. That's a hell a lot of waste. The question isn't how much CO2 we are spewing out, it's how much that will aversely affect the climate. Oh yeah, and Mr. Chaos, it doesn't have to destroy mother nature- it just has to destroy us.

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As George Carlin said, the planet has existed for years and years and a bit of waste (this was done in the 70's) is going to destory Mother Nature? Give me a break.



That sounds like a pretty arrogant quote only because I remember this other line about if the Earth's 4 billion years of existence were packed into a 24 hour period, mankind would've started at 23:59.59


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That sounds like a pretty arrogant quote only because I remember this other line about if the Earth's 4 billion years of existence were packed into a 24 hour period, mankind would've started at 23:59.59


Oh I'm not saying I agree with Carlin, but the man is pretty funny sometimes.

When it comes to global warming, change can obviously occur, just it will take quite sometime, especially in this country. Americans want change, but don't want to change anything in their lives. If change can occur without alternating their lives, that's a okay.

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Americans want change, but don't want to change anything in their lives.


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Sounds like alot of straw man and ad hominem attacks... sure these people are douchebags, does it change anything about global warming?

I'll watch the documentary when I get a spare moment...

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i agree with mess. whether they are rite or wrong, as long as it gets some people to be a lil more eco groovy then that imho is a good thing.

i wish alot of these guys like Gore would actually practice what they preach though.

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I'm amazed at how some of you are saying, "Yeah, they're lying to us and we're being raped again, but as long as a few good things come out of it, it's ok." You make perfect slaves...

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The only thing that bothers me about the global warming thing is how a) business fights against legislation designed to stop it for their bottom line and then b) turn around and sell it back to us with "green" products.

I can't say whether or not it's a big conspiracy. I'm inclined to say that it's not, but I haven't done the research and am not going to listen to people yelling who haven't done the research either.

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Well RE, there are two possibilities.

Global warming is a real threat, or it is not a real threat. Correct?

Now, if global warming is not a real threat, and we assume it is not a real threat, then nothing happens, good or bad.

If global warming is not a real threat, and we assume it is, then we make our cities cleaner, with no bad results.

If global warming is a real threat, and we assume it is a real threat, we prevent the ultimate demise of humanity.

And finally, if global warming is a real threat, and we assume it is not a real threat, then...

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So yeah, in this case I am willing to be swindled.

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Conspiracy or not I want to know how to get into the carbon offset business...

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And finally, if global warming is a real threat, and we assume it is not a real threat, then...

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So yeah, in this case I am willing to be swindled.



:heh



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I'm amazed at how some of you are saying, "Yeah, they're lying to us and we're being raped again, but as long as a few good things come out of it, it's ok." You make perfect slaves...





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Wow, everyone please watch this documentary...

It was freaking good

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HOW MANY TIMES, IT'S ENHANCED GLOBAL WARMING ENHANCED.

GLOBAL WARMING IS NATURAL, ENHANCED IS NOT.

And I'm just not gonna get into this topic, Everyone has their own opinions, I've done enough Geography lessons, essays, watched seminars, and got infomation from both catastrophists and optimists to base my own opinions on the matter without reading the wall of text RE posted to make me make a decision.

Though it must be said if you can't see how much damage happens because we exploit too many resources then you really must be blind to the happenings of the world.

God, I hate to think what will happen when the Antarctic treaty runs out next year.

And MESS, you make an excellent excellent point, nothing comes out of doing nothing, and if doing a little bit of work will improve matters environmentally or even not, at least nothing bad will happen

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Perhaps if you watched the documentary, you would know that there is plenty of bad coming out of the "good even if it's wrong" camp of people... just watch the parts about Africa and other developing nations... it's sick to think of what our environmental activists living in plush western societies do to African countries...

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Doyle is totally on track on this one, but I think he doesn't realize the depth and length of the man-made global warming deception.

Thousands and thousands of scientists all over the world agreeing and accepting man-made global warming as a self-evident, undeniable fact... yet 9/11 could not possibly have had anything to do with anyone other than crazy Muslim terrorists?

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Thousands and thousands of scientists all over the world agreeing and accepting man-made global warming as a self-evident, undeniable fact... yet 9/11 could not possibly have had anything to do with anyone other than crazy Muslim terrorists?


Completely hilarious RE, I definitely agree. It just goes to show that people only look at what they deem interesting and simple. Global warming...man made.. 9/11...muslims.. yeah.. that sounds right...

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Perhaps if you watched the documentary, you would know that there is plenty of bad coming out of the "good even if it's wrong" camp of people... just watch the parts about Africa and other developing nations... it's sick to think of what our environmental activists living in plush western societies do to African countries...



I know this, it is wrong.

It's also wrong when thousands of galleons of water is being used in LEDC's, in places that have no access to clean water just for the sake of our fair Trade Rice.

But it doesn't mean ALL of the good points are made bad because of it.

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That's rediculous, if you want to save the environment, stop deforestation in Brazil or something, America's environment doesn't need saving, but rainforests are being cut down at a rate of something like 60 hectares per minute... or is actually trying to accomplish something that environmentalists are afraid of? Honestly, you are doing a service to environmentalists, if it weren't for countries polluting, what would an environmental activist do anyway? Do they really want to accomplish something? Or do they just want to bitch and complain... CO2 is a great cause for them because it will never quite be enough will it... no matter how low the emissions go, they will go for lower... until they find a new hapless crusade...

The other day I looked at the Sierra Club talking about how we need to reduce the amount of radiation we are exposed to... apparently 100 millirems of radiation a year can cause cancer... I did a project on exposure to radiation in my city, the average citizen is exposed to 360 millirems of radiation a year... 300 is produced by the ENVIRONMENT!, 1 millirem of radiation is emitted from Nuclear Power plants, less than ten xrays... What does the sierra club expect to reduce radiation exposure... destroy the earth? cover everything in lead? It makes my blood boil...

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I didn't defend them I simply said it does not make every other good idea that is being carried out worthless because a few idiots are ruining it for everyone else, anything anyone does on a personal scale with good intentions, whether it's recycling, using energy saving lightbulbs etc both helps minutely and makes the person doing it feeling a little better, whilst it doesn't outweight all the crap being but into the atmosphere, obviously, it does a small good on the personal scale.

Also personally Doyle, there are more people out there willing to do something than you think, that is not covered by the media. People that do honestly want to help.

Whilst I'm not a physical geographer in this sense, I prefer the Human stuff, I know enough about enhanced global warming to figure out what needs to be done.

Whilst we're at it though. It's not the stopping of putting Carbon emissions into the air that will stop Enhanced Global warming, if all factories closed down for a day for example, it wouldn't happen. The halting of more Carbon emissions being released will only stop any global warming in the next five, ten years. The gases don't tear apart the O Zone layer as such. They linger just below it and stop all light that is shon onto the earths surface to reflect up and out of the atmosphere, causing the heat to be trapped here, It's the Chlorine in CFC's that eat away at the ozone layer. Not creating a hole, but thinning it.

So whilst environmental activists can bitch and whine and do what they like, like getting into punch ups at Rostock for example. Most of them have no clue how any of the science and geography behind the issue works and just jump on the "Global Warming bandwagon."

But my point somewhere along this line is that, regardless of what they are doing if all you are going to do is complain about it and do nothing how exactly are you stopping them?

Unless you're doing something your energies are going to nothing when you could be doing something else that is useful and positive. Plus what I might add is, if you know what these idiots are doing is wrong but still wanting to do something good for the environment that won't do any harm on a personal or local scale, then get out there and do it.

And that will be my last word on the topic.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:27 pm  Post subject:   
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I doubt it...

Didn't you just read what I just said?

We could actually be helping the environment if we weren't focusing on stuff that won't make a difference like, carbon emmissions... first we need to stop deforestation (heh not in North America either)... then we need to tackle the number one contributor to pollution world wide: poverty... what we do nowadays is arbitrary...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:28 pm  Post subject:   
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http://break.com/index/tough-to-argue.html

This is essentially the argument I used, just more eloquent.

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