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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:18 pm  Post subject:   
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Come on, Titan, why all the hate?

Tell me, please, why the hate?

The hate cannot continue.

Especially like this.

And in times like these.

Stop the hate.


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Ok, wow, after reading about this legislation that was just passed...I'm starting to lean more and more towards the tin foil hat. I know it's easy to crticize RE's the-world-is-ending posts, but there is just too much going on. There is only one way all these pieces can fit. Read this new bill, specifically the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’


I wish I was alive during the Cold War to see how the insanity then compared to the insanity now. I know that this country has always kind of been on that brink ever since World War 2; I mean, we've basically been in perpetual war. But this just has a bad feeling to it. We'll see what happens in November. All I have right now is...uncertainty.


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Yeah, it is scary, thank god I'm Canadian, but really, what would that have to do with a Zionist Conspiracy?

Who wouldn't acknowledge that George Bush is just the luckiest guy on the planet who gets to use pain (911) to his advantage as a catalyst.

By the way, I've seen more movies on the holocaust this week in Global History class. I have to say, you need to be some kinda crazy to deny the holocaust, I saw some things in those movies that are impossible to unsee...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:48 pm  Post subject:   
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why hasnt this been locked yet, its really not providing anything useful or sparking any kind of actual discussion anymore. its nothing more than long rants and links from RE and then a bunch of flaming. it should really get locked or just deleted.

It's not sparking any discussion because you have nothing to put forward. You know I'm right, but you refuse to admit it. Look at the Torture and Indefinite Detention Authorization Act -- it's eerily similar to the Enabling Act of 1933. Read the Military Commisions Act, as elevation suggested. Your country is being completely taken over, and you just follow along like the sheep you are. You have to ask why "your" elected senators voted in favor of this. (Here's the answer: half of them are bribed by AIPAC, the other half are blackmailed pedophiles.) Wake the fuck up. If you don't acknowledge your problems you'll become the victim of yourself -- just like the Nazis 70 years ago.

You've been proven wrong directly various times in this topic, and you've never acknowledged it. Here's an example:
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its also frickin hillarious RE that your already claiming that the terrorists caught in the UK today were framed by the US or whatever and that it all falls into your grand conspiracy bullshit. we seriously have like almost no facts about what went down and your already claiming its a conspiracy. it really just shows that u have no interest in trying to get all the info before u jump to some crazy conclusion that the whole thing was staged. fuckin ridiculous RE. im gunna laugh my ass off when these guys they caught come out and say that they are real deal terrorists, and they spill the details of their plans. all the info will come out that will pretty much show that your dead wrong about them being framed. it should be great.

Well, Titan, I'm still waiting for the details of their plans... Where are the terrorists? The whole story was so ridiculous that it was dropped after a few days. They are testing the population to see how many will fall for the most ridiculous scenario possible. The liquid bombs thing is SO ridiculous that there's no other reasonable explanation.

Why don't you address my points instead of spewing senseless ad hominem attacks? It doesn't matter what you think of me personally. Hate me all you want. The only thing that matters is the information. If elevation, PD~, or gondee were posting this information, would you listen?

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Yeah, it is scary, thank god I'm Canadian, but really, what would that have to do with a Zionist Conspiracy?

Everything. Everyone in top-level US government positions are Zionists, and over 65% of them are Jews. If that doesn't tell you anything, change the word "Zionists" with "pro-Chinese, anti-Taiwan" and the word "Jews" with "Chinese". If you still don't understand it, imagine also that all the American media companies are owned and controlled by Chinese, that all the owners of the banks of the US Federal Reserve are also Chinese, and that the US government and media unwavingly support the brutal, racist Chinese genocide of the Taiwanese. If that still doesn't work for you, try a much more detailed analogy with South Koreans. If you STILL don't get it, you are mentally defective.

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By the way, I've seen more movies on the holocaust this week in Global History class. I have to say, you need to be some kinda crazy to deny the holocaust, I saw some things in those movies that are impossible to unsee...

It's all emotional ploy. You see piles of corpses while they tell you why they died. Do you see the logical fallacy that follows?

Contrary to what they'd want you to believe, nobody "denies" that the Holocaust happened. What is questioned is how many died, and how they were killed. To put a long story short: there were no "death camps", but concentration/labor camps, there were no gas chambers, Zyklon-B was used to kill lice, most people died of typhus or hunger (that's why all the bodies are so skinny), and the death toll of Jews is nowhere near 6 million.

The fact that there are laws in Europe to prevent investigations into the Holocaust should already raise a red flag in your mind. Russians, Ukranians, Hungarians, Cambodians, and others, are still to this day begging for better investigations into their Holocausts, yet it is illegal to investigate the Jewish Holocaust. You can investigate any event in history -- ANY -- but not the sacred 6-million-Jews Holocaust.

If the Holocaust happened as they say it did, the Zionist Jews in power would be able to announce: "Go ahead, investigate all you want, you'll see that we are correct!" Instead, they defame anyone who questions it as a "Holocaust denier" and an "anti-Semite". They never, ever, address the facts (hmm, reminds me of people in this topic). The truth does not need laws to protect it -- only lies do.

If you're interested, you should know that a lot -- if not most -- of the research into the Holocaust has been done by Jews, such as David Cole, who went to Auschwitz to investigate the gas chambers, or Norman Finkelstein, author of 'The Holocaust Industry'. If you work better with emotional appeal, know that Finkelstein's parents died in the Holocaust.


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If you STILL have to believe that there's no serious corruption in the government, just turn on your TV today -- pedophilia being covered up by Congressmen. I didn't want to talk much about these issues as they're not pleasant and are not very suitable for minors, but now that there's so much talk about it in the media...

The Foley case is merely a smokescreen for a much, much, much bigger scandal; namely, that the entire Republican party is infested with pedophiles. The Democrat party is also, but to a lesser extent. Pedophiles are easily blackmailed and are therefore promoted to high-level government and military positions. See The Franklin Coverup, former Nebraska Senator John DeCamp inteview, the Kay Griggs interviews (20-min excerpts: part1, part2; 2006-09-05 audio interview), and The Conspiracy of Silence.

Please take a look at all that information. Don't get fooled by the mainstream media trying to push it off as an isolated case, or pathetically trying to put the blame on the Democrats or other parties in order to create a false "limited hangout" image:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:14 pm  Post subject:   
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Did you check out the links I posted above? It's not a very pleasant subject, but it's very important to understand why so many politicians and government officials are pedophiles or homosexuals.

Here are the updated news...


Karl Rove's October Surprise - The Mohamed Atta in the newest "al-Qaeda" video certainly looks like the FBI's photo of him, but Atta's father says it's not his son (read this article all the way through -- it's a good compilation of proof of video fakes of Osama, al-Zarqawi, al-Zawahiri, hijacker tapes, London bombing tapes, etc., and also proves that some of the "new" footage was previously used in a docudrama). The BBC and other media reported that many of the alleged hijackers were still alive after 9/11, including Mohamed Atta. Simple photographic evidence suggests that the real Ziad Jarrah (the man to the left in the new video) was not a 9/11 hijacker at all, but that it was a doppleganger, just like Mohamed Atta, who also had a double (official proof). Other hijackers appear to also have had doubles, since at least 7 of the supposedly devout Muslim hijackers, including Atta and Jarrah, loved partying, drinking and womanizing. Many other facts further strengthen the idea that most/all of the 9/11 hijackers had doubles, such as the evidence that some of them trained in military bases, and the FBI's cover-up of Atta's movements in Florida between January and May of 2001, which is the same time period during which Atta and other hijackers were hanging out on casino ships owned by Jack Abramoff, whose former secretary, Susan Ralston, resigned this week as Karl Rove's aide. Aren't all these connections just funny?

Police 'exaggerated evidence' against British 9/11 suspect: "Police and prosecutors are facing allegations that they misled a judge and grossly exaggerated evidence against the only man to be detained in Britain over September 11, The Times has learnt." - Another frame-up collapses!

America the Tyranny: "Despotism arrives in many forms, under many disguises, and in America, along with all previous carriers of the disease, the virus has infiltrated into the consciousness of the ignorant masses under the rubric of waging peace, bringing security, and under the false assumption that scapegoat enemies must be defeated in battle, lest they destroy everything we stand for. That tyranny fails to achieve each measure is never discussed, nor the fact that authoritarians rely on waging war, fostering insecurity, concocting ever-newer enemies and destroying everything the people stand for in order to assure for themselves of greater and absolute power. It is fascism, after all, that enables authoritarians to control entire populations through the oppression and subjugation of the citizenry, usually at the behest of the state and usually using the intimidating presence of the barrel of the gun and the brute force of the omnipresent police state."

The perils of electronic voting go on display: "It would be a terrible irony if the United States, having bet blood and money on making Iraq a democracy to transform the Middle East, should see democracy become dysfunctional at home. Yet a time bomb is ticking away that threatens to explode the integrity of the American electoral system." - From a mainstream source.

Dutch Blackbox Voting Pwned: "The paper describes in great detail how 'anyone, when given brief access to the devices at any time before the election, can gain complete and virtually undetectable control over the election results.'" - Not just a US problem, it seems. Democracy is being subverted and destroyed all across the world.


North Korean Nuclear Test - Kim Jong-il might have just stopped the advancement of World War 3!! It will be hard for the US government to sell an invasion of Iran because it might someday make nuclear weapons when North Korea definitely has them now. The media executives are now of course pissed off, so they'll pull all kinds of propaganda demonizing North Korea, while neglecting to mention critical information, such as... • the fact that Donald Rumsfeld was a principal at the company that sold to North Korea 2 nuclear power plants, as part of Clinton's 1994 'Framework Agreement' deal, which the US never honored; • the fact that the disgraced Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan supplied North Korea with centrifuges and their designs, yet Khan was protected by the CIA when the Dutch wanted to arrest him; • the fact that Bush foiled a possible peace treaty between North and South Korea in 2002 by labeling North Korea as part of the "Axis of Evil"; and surely other important facts that have yet to be uncovered and will be ignored by the mainstream media.

Israel (which has hundreds of warheads) gets indignant about North Korea's test: "It is certainly possible that Pyongyang would share its nuclear know-how with Iran, in return for a sizeable financial reward. "It could be a good thing," Sneh told Israel Radio, explaining that Israeli policymakers and advocates should use the developments in North Korea to convince the international community to "do something [about Iran] before it's too late."" - Israel is trying to claim that Iran must be attacked BECAUSE of North Korea's nuclear test!

Iran blames U.S. for N. Korea nuke test: ""North Korea‘s nuclear test was a reaction to America‘s threats and humiliation," it said." - Iraq showed the world what the US does to nations that do NOT have nuclear weapons. Can anyone blame a nation for wanting to create a credible deterrent now?

Moscow Says Force Against Iran Unacceptable: "Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Aleksandr Alekseev says Russia and China agree that it is unacceptable to threaten to use force against Iran in the standoff over its nuclear program."

Russian blockade on Georgia: "Russia has imposed a total economic blockade on Georgia even as the latter decided to release the four Russian military officers whose arrest on spy charges last week triggered the worst crisis between the two countries. Russia is cutting land, sea and air transport links with Georgia, as well as postal services, the Russian Government said on Monday. Mr. Putin said he held the United States responsible for encouraging Georgia's anti-Russian policies." - Could this all be a clever ploy to keep Russia busy for a while?

Israeli minister says war may resume: "Israel's national infrastructure minister said on Tuesday that war with Hizbullah might restart in a few months, and called for an enhancement of the Israeli Army's capacities. Benjamin Ben-Eliezer told Israeli public radio that the deployment of the Lebanese Army along the border with Israel "will not ensure safety for Israel" and that Hizbullah still presents a threat to the Jewish state. Meanwhile, [Syria this, Iran that, blah blah blah]"

Assad: Syrian military preparing for war with Israel: "In an interview widely quoted by Syrian news agencies, Assad said Israel could attack Syria "at any moment." "We must remain ready at all times," said Assad. "We have begun preparations within the framework of our options." Assad also said he believes Israel has abandonded the peace process."

IDF prepares for possible Syrian attack: "One thing is for sure: Israel's response to a Syrian attack will be nothing like its reaction to the July 12 kidnapping of reservists Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser in a cross-border Hizbullah attack. The retaliation, defense officials interviewed for this article warned, would be harsher, fiercer and far deadlier." - What will the war-triggering false flag op be this time?

Human Rights Experts: “Israel Committed War Crimes!”: "On Sept. 27, 2006, two leading experts on Human Rights spoke at the Palestine Center, in Washington, D.C. Curt Goering of Amnesty International, said Israel’s massive bombing campaign in Lebanon, including dropping more than a million cluster bombs, was a “war crime.” His group is pressing the UN for a full inquiry."

Europe's Roma Ask U.N. To Recognize Them As Holocaust Victims: "Europe's Roma, or gypises, asked the United Nations to include them in Holocaust commemorations and to be recognized as victims of the Nazis." - It should be interesting to see how Israel reacts to this...

The March to War: Naval build-up in the Persian Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean: "We bring to the attention of our readers, this carefully documented review of the ongoing naval build-up and deployment of coalition forces in the Middle East. Both Israel and NATO are slated to play a major role in the US-led war. [...] The World is at the crossroads of the most serious crisis in modern history. The US has embarked on a military adventure, "a long war", which threatens the future of humanity."

Inside Iran - City Life - Look at these photos... is that how you envisioned Iran? See the power of the mainstream media's deception. These cities, these people, are what YOU, as an American, will be an accomplice of destroying in the near future.




This is it, folks. There's no way in hell they could sell a war with Iran now, without a massive false-flag attack. Could Alex Jones be correct in his "second ever" prediction? His first prediction included the words "flying planes into the WTC and using Osama bin Laden as a patsy" in 2001-06-25. Watch his first prediction if you haven't already.

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It's funny we watched a whole movie debunking Holocaust denial today in global history.

I think you should realize that the information that most Holocaust deniers use is the propaganda sent out by Nazi Germany during their disinformation campaign. You may believe that there is a Zionist conspiracy... but listen... there was a HUGE disinformation campaign by the Nazis. Forensic evidence was eliminated because of Aktion 1005. Gas chambers were alll destroyed, dead bodies all cremated, all to remove proof. Yet undeniable evidence and proof was found regarding these death camps in Nazi records of the SS. AND THE SS GENERALS ADMITTED TO THIS GENOCIDE, they said that they're actions were justified, not that it didn't happen! And on top of that... the testimony of thousands of survivors... how can they all be in a conspiracy? The ones I've met don't even live in Israel, and are normal people like you and me.

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The gas chamber was also a hall just like this one, with two chutes, two, uh, like chimneys going all the way to the top, with perforated metal. Had holes about a quarter of an inch all around, all four corners, and it was two or three sheets of metal, one into the other with holes. That chute went all the way up to the roof, which was almost flat to the ground outside. That's where the SS men were standing as soon as the bunker was filled in, yeah wait a minute.... When they filled in the bunker with all the women they put the men in. And sometimes they had 20 or 30 extra people that they couldn't get in, so they always held back children. And when the bunker was already so filled they couldn't put no more people, no more...they made the kids crawl on the top of the heads, all the way in there, just kept on pushing them in, to fill them all in. When the door was slammed behind them, was a thick door, was about six inches thick. I built it myself and I know what it's like: three bolts, three iron bars were across. The bars were laid over and then screwed tight. The men, the SS men were standing outside with a Red Cross wagon and they had the gas can...cans in the truck, in the...in the ambulance. He put a mask on, had to put a mask on, tore the lid off of the gas...of the...of the, um, the gas canister, threw it down the chute, through the chimney into the gas chamber. The crematorium two and...and three had two gas chutes. And as soon as he threw the gas in he slammed the lid shut, so the gas wouldn't escape. And all you could hear is one loud sound, "Shema..." [the Jewish declaration of faith] and that was all. And that took about five to ten minutes. In the door they had a little peephole with four or five layers of glass in between, and it was with bars so nobody could break the glass through. And when they turned on the light into the...in the...in the bunker, you could see whether the people were already dead or not.


If 6 million didn't die in the camps... where did they disappear to? All the proof you've put forward is the same filth that the Nazis used when they trie to pull the wool over our eyes... You think that we are affected by Zionist propaganda? Well guess what you preach the Nazi propaganda as gospel...


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That's what RE's whole problem with the world is!!!!!!

He wishes the Nazis had won World War II.


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I wish they had won as well. I mean, Hitler is such a hottie. <3

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And how do you debunk the fact that Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz, who testified frankly about gassing over a million Jews at the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing centre...

Otto Oheldorf testified directly about his unit, Einsatzgruppe D, killing over 90,000 Jews in southern Ukraine? The other Einsatzgruppers executed almost 1 million Ukrainians... I saw a film on this, which was the sickest movie I have ever seen, people being shot in the head execution style and then thrown into mass grave pits, Nazi-Film footage, disgusting...

Don't you know anything about the Nuremburg Trials?

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Again (and again, and again, and again...) it's funny how none of you dispute the evidence and facts I post. I have to assume that you all now understand how and why non-Jewish congressmen, high-level government and military officials are promoted.


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You're right. I wonder if you would've listened if I had told you that, instead of finding it on your own... The income tax scam is really part of a bigger scam, but I'll let you find out on your own.


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It's funny we watched a whole movie debunking Holocaust denial today in global history.

I think you should realize that the information that most Holocaust deniers use is the propaganda sent out by Nazi Germany during their disinformation campaign. You may believe that there is a Zionist conspiracy... but listen... there was a HUGE disinformation campaign by the Nazis. Forensic evidence was eliminated because of Aktion 1005. Gas chambers were alll destroyed, dead bodies all cremated, all to remove proof. Yet undeniable evidence and proof was found regarding these death camps in Nazi records of the SS. AND THE SS GENERALS ADMITTED TO THIS GENOCIDE, they said that they're actions were justified, not that it didn't happen! And on top of that... the testimony of thousands of survivors... how can they all be in a conspiracy? The ones I've met don't even live in Israel, and are normal people like you and me.

If 6 million didn't die in the camps... where did they disappear to? All the proof you've put forward is the same filth that the Nazis used when they trie to pull the wool over our eyes... You think that we are affected by Zionist propaganda? Well guess what you preach the Nazi propaganda as gospel...

Well, I don't really consider myself qualified to debate this, so I'd refer you to the works of Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Fredrick Toben, and Jewish investigators David Cole, Norman Finkelstein, Josef Burg, Stephen Hayward, Roger-Guy Dommergue, etc, etc. Are you gonna call them Nazis? Or "self-hating Jews"? :heh

Anyway, I'll answer your questions to best of my knowledge. It's true that there was a disinfo campaign by the Nazis, but the disinfo today is not by the Nazis, is it? So why is it illegal to investigate the Holocaust? The truth doesn't need any laws to protect it. Ask the victims of the other 20th century Holocausts, such as the Russians (45+ million), the Ukrainians (7 million), the Hungarians (several million), the Cambodians (2.5 million), or the Turks (1.54 million). Why is it that you've rarely, if ever, heard of those Holocausts? Because Jews (that is, the "Jewish" leaders) were responsible for every one of them. (And... the Jewish Holocaust is really no different.)

There's no "undeniable evidence" as you suggest. None of the thousands and thousands of documents (which they for some reason didn't bother to destroy!) recovered mention gas chambers, giant cremation ovens, or anything that would suggest that a planned genocide was policy. The only evidence is, as you point out, the Nuremberg trials, and the countless "Holocaust survivors", specifically the "eyewitnesses". These survivors were indeed survivors, but not from "death camps". They survived because nobody intended to kill them in the first place. As Norman Finkelstein (whose parents died in the Holocaust, to counter the emotional barrier) points out, if everyone survived the Holocaust, who did Hitler kill? 99.99% of the Holocaust survivors are real, honest survivors of the concentration/labor camps. However, the "eyewitnesses" you see on the media are selected liars.

In response to your quote from some "Holocaust survivor", did you check out the link I posted to David Cole's 46 questions about the Nazi gas chambers? Remember, David Cole is Jewish, so you can't accuse him of being a Nazi who just hates Jews! He is a honest investigator who wants to get the truth, no more, no less. It's too bad his parents didn't die in the Holocaust, but oh well, you already have Finkelstein for that! I hope you're seeing the extreme logical fallacy of emotional appeal.

As for Rudolf Hoess, my guess is that he wanted to be the greatest murderer of all time. It's not like he could possibly avoid life sentence, so why not pass as something he'd be remembered for? Another possibility is torture. Torture will make you say anything. I don't know what's more likely, but I'm sure the people I listed above have a very good idea. There are entire books dedicated to debunk the fraudulent Nuremberg trials. As for the film you saw, did you see them kill 90,000 Jews? I smell a logical fallacy here too.

Holocaust investigation (or revisionism, or "denial") has nothing to do with Nazi propaganda, anti-Semitism, or whatever else they'll tell you. It's about physical evidence, logical deductions, and even plain old common sense. Since I imagine you're not about to read large books, here are some excellent videos:

David Cole at Auschwitz

One Third of the Holocaust [Same movie in 30 chapters to download separately] - 4 hours of pure common sense exposure of Holohoax.

Judea Declares War on Germany - In 1933, Zionist leader Samuel Untermyer declared on national radio a worldwide economic boycott against Germany. See if you can find this in your history book.

The Search for the Truth in History

Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein speaks to Dr. Hesham Tillawi about the Holocaust

Many ebooks and documents about Holocaust revisionism

Holocaust investigator Ernst Zundel forced the release of Red Cross records that showed figures of about 280,000 dead for all camps: Page 1, Page 2. I agree with the Red Cross numbers.

The "6 million Holocaust" had been attempted before WW2: 6 million number mentioned in 1900 and 1902, and 6 million in 1919 -- the infamous WW1 "6 million Jews" Holocaust that failed. See also Scriptural origins of the 6 million number: One possible interpretation of a Hebrew passage in the Torah is: "You shall return [to Israel] minus 6 million." (After reviewing it, I don't think that's the answer, but it's worth considering.)

The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler - A myth-shattering documentary showing extense documentation of Zionist-Nazi collaboration; evidence that many top Nazi officials were Jewish, including Hitler himself; Hitler's Jewish financiers in the BIS and in America; and the broader picture of the reason for WW2 -- to bring Jews into Palestine.

And there you have it. If this doesn't make you reconsider everything you thought you knew about WW2 and the Holocaust, nothing will. Please watch at least 'One Third Of The Holocaust' and 'The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler' before you make any conclusions.

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Nononono... you can't just dump links on me... If you have something to say... say it!

I'm not qualified to argue on this? Honestly, has that stopped you in the past?

Hmm, funny you should bring up the Red Cross, because, if I do remember my history class... TODAY. We learned more about the disinformation campaign by the Nazis. Let me quote my history notes.

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On June 23, 1944, the Nazi permitted an INternational Red Cross commission to visit to the Theresienstadt ghetto in occupied Bohemia in what is today the Czech Republic. They hoped to mask Nazi killing operations in the occupied easter territories by showcasing good conditions for Jews in Theresienstadt. The Red Cross comission consisted of two Danish officials and one Swiss representative and the visit lasted only six hours. It was an elaborate hoax. The SS authorities intensified deportations of Jews from the ghetto to alleviate overcrowding and spruced up the ghetto by planting gardens, painting houses, opening cafes, and theatres and the like in preparation for the visit. They even instructed the prisoner how to behave during the inspection and to give positive reports about conditions in the ghetto. Once the visit ended, however, the SS authorities resumed deportations of Jews, overwheliingly to the Aushwitz killing center in German-occupied Poland. The visit had served it's purpose: to confuse international public opinion about the true nature of Nazi policies towards Jews.


Seriously, the Red Cross didn't have SHIT to go on, seriously, The Red Cross were counting Corpses. When you are cremated you just become dust... seriously... I'm dead serious, we read about these papers in our History class. It's the count of corpses they had found. Obviously millions more were turned to dust by crematoriums.

You don't think I know anything about Ernst Zundel? He's Canadian, he was all over the freaking news for 3 months before he got his ass deported...

If 99.9% of holocaust survivors know the truth, How come none of these investigators (of Nazi disinformation and propaganda) are Holocaust survivors? Honestly. If in reality this testimony is untrue, then how come we never hear holocaust survivors coming out and saying none of this was true? NO conspiracy of any kind could ever supress that many people especially with the advent of the internet.

In all your ability to try to impress us with your skepticism, you have to realize you are only falling for a REAL conspiracy that happened during World War II.

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Nononono... you can't just dump links on me... If you have something to say... say it!

What I have to say is in the videos. I can't explain it as well as the people who made those videos. Please watch at least One Third Of The Holocaust and The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler.

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I'm not qualified to argue on this? Honestly, has that stopped you in the past?

I don't feel qualified because I haven't done that much research on the subject. On 9/11 however, I've done a massive amount of research. In other words, I don't consider myself an expert in the Holocaust, but I do consider myself an expert in 9/11.

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Hmm, funny you should bring up the Red Cross, because, if I do remember my history class... TODAY. We learned more about the disinformation campaign by the Nazis. Let me quote my history notes.

Seriously, the Red Cross didn't have SHIT to go on, seriously, The Red Cross were counting Corpses. When you are cremated you just become dust... seriously... I'm dead serious, we read about these papers in our History class. It's the count of corpses they had found. Obviously millions more were turned to dust by crematoriums.

That's very interesting. You have to admit though, that that is the obvious thing to claim if you'd want to refute it. Notice that the records I posted date from 1973 to 1983. Why would the Red Cross revise the numbers so many times between those years if they knew the Nazis had fooled them?

Anyway, because of the impossibility of determining with certainty the truthfulness of documents, it's better to stick to the physical evidence.

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You don't think I know anything about Ernst Zundel? He's Canadian, he was all over the freaking news for 3 months before he got his ass deported...

And you think it's a good thing that he got deported for the horrible crime of questioning the Holocaust?

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If 99.9% of holocaust survivors know the truth, How come none of these investigators (of Nazi disinformation and propaganda) are Holocaust survivors? Honestly. If in reality this testimony is untrue, then how come we never hear holocaust survivors coming out and saying none of this was true? NO conspiracy of any kind could ever supress that many people especially with the advent of the internet.

You're confused here. Why would a Holocaust survivor know the truth about the Nazi camps? All he'd know is what he himself lived. Imagine that you're a prisoner in a Nazi camp. When you are released, although you had never seen it yourself, you hear about the atrocities the Nazis had done to millions of your kind, and horrible tales of Nazis making soap out of Jews. You hear this for decades, and everyone believes it. What would you think? Not only that, but if you express the slightest doubt about the story, you'd be looked down upon by your own family.

The Holocaust survivors knew no more about the bigger picture of the Holocaust than the average person did (before the Internet). Undoubtly, some of them would have doubts, but now that they can finally publicly express their doubts thanks to the Internet, the vast majority of them are dead.

The reason there are not many Holocaust revisionists who are also Holocaust survivors? Statistical probability. The number of (revisionists AND survivors), as I explained above, should be -- and indeed appears to be -- proportional to the number of (revisionists NOT survivors).

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In all your ability to try to impress us with your skepticism, you have to realize you are only falling for a REAL conspiracy that happened during World War II.

I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm trying to make you think. Real conspiracy that happened in WW2 by the Nazis? Sure, but how are the Nazis suppressing investigations into the Holocaust today?

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No response from Doyle? I expected no more. I've looked into the Red Cross thing. They had not seen any gas chambers during or after the war. It wasn't before 1997 when the Red Cross started saying that the Nazis had fooled them by cleaning up the camps of any trace of dead bodies, human remains (bones, ash), gas chambers, etc, building banks, post offices, schools, etc, arranging football tournaments...

The expense the Nazis supposedly went through to fool the Red Cross is, in one word, ridiculous. Supposedly they fooled the Red Cross in a massive scale for over 50 years, and they just realized all of a sudden in 1997 when Israel was demanding that they "apologize".

So your conspiracy theory about the Nazis and Red Cross doesn't stand up very well to the facts of the matter. Much less to the related physical evidence and common sense.

It's also interesting that the Red Cross was founded by the Rothschilds, which is the family that has most benefited from the Holocausts and the suffering of Jews.

Also, you mentioned that you saw a film about the Nazi 'Einsatzgruppen' killing a million Jews... Take a look at how ridiculous just one of those tales are: The massacre of Babi Yar, where 200,000 Jews were supposedly shot by the Einsatzgruppen.




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Enormous death toll of Iraq invasion revealed: "Around 655,000 people have died in Iraq as a result of the US-led coalition invasion, according to the largest scientific analysis yet." - That is 2.4% of the entire Iraqi population. 650,000 people dead because of officially-admitted lies. And Americans put up with this because...??

Saddam: Kurds dividing Iraq for Israeli benefit: "Saddam Hussein attacks prosecution witnesses in his trial for genocide against Kurds, accusing them of sowing division among Iraqis for benefit of Israel. "The Zionists are the only ones who will benefit from the differences among Iraqis," Saddam added." - Saddam's certainly no Gandhi, but he knows what's going on -- it's Israel that's instigating the civil war in Iraq. Dressing up as Sunnis or Shiites and putting bombs everywhere, training and arming foolish Kurds, etc.

UK troops worsen problems in Iraq: army head: "The head of Britain's army said the presence of British troops in Iraq was exacerbating the security situation on the ground and they should be withdrawn soon, according to a British newspaper. In unusually blunt comments for a serving senior officer, Dannatt told the Friday edition of the newspaper that the troops should "get ... out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the security problems"." - This man has had the courage to tell the truth straight out to the world. Which of course means that he will probably be stripped of his command and forced out of the British army.

Cheney: ‘General Overall Situation’ In Iraq Is Going ‘Remarkably Well’: "Cheney acknowledged there is a “natural level of concern out there” because fighting didn’t end “instantaneously.” (Next month, the war will have lasted longer than U.S. fighting in World War II.) Cheney then pointed to various news items to paint a positive picture of conditions in Iraq and concluded, “If you look at the general overall situation, they’re doing remarkably well.”" - I'm sure it's going remarkably well for Cheney and his family and cohorts, since they're not the ones dying there.

Bush says Iraq attacks are propaganda: "Bush said the spike in violence in Iraq is a calculated ploy by terrorists to swing public opinion against the U.S. presence in Iraq. "The terrorists are trying to influence public opinion here in the United States," Bush said. "They have a sophisticated propaganda strategy." That includes, he said, "high-profile attacks" they themselves film and give to the media "hoping the images of violence will demoralize our country and force us to retreat." "The terrorists are trying to divide America and break our will and we must not allow them to succeed," Bush said." - Bush is correct! But it's not the Iraqis as he'd want to make us believe, it's the Israeli Mossad, who are doing everything they can to turn Iraq into the ultimate inferno.

Poll: 40% of American voters believe the Israel Lobby has been a key factor in going to war in Iraq and now confronting Iran:
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The Case Against Depleted Uranium: "Depleted uranium remains a nagging problem for the US Army, which extensively used such munitions during fighting in Gulf War I, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq. DU is a chemically toxic, radioactive element with a half-life of 4.5 billion years that damages the kidneys and lungs, causes genetic mutations and cancer, and is associated with a number of medical problems." - Take a look at the photo at the top of this article for a graphic visualization of the effects of DU.

Los Alamos Missing Plutonium for 150 Nuclear Bombs: "The beleaguered Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) is unable to account for 765 kilograms of plutonium -- enough to make 150 nuclear weapons -- according to a letter from nuclear watchdog groups to LANL Director G. Peter Nanos." - The US is a country from where trillions of dollars and hundreds of nuclear bombs can disappear without any repercussions. Gee, I wonder what nation (which does not allow nuclear inspections of their facilities) gets all this missing stuff!


Elections in the USA: Justice and Perversion and the Perversion of Justice: "Millions of fundamentalist Christians, who blindly supported the Republican Congress’ deadly War on Terror are in revolt against their Party because of its tolerance toward a single pervert -- overlooking the torture at Abu Ghraib, Israel’s massive bombing of Lebanon and the Bush Administration’s criminal abandonment of the hundreds of thousands of poor (mostly black) citizens in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Why do US Congress members and the mass media go into a political feeding frenzy over personal sexual transgressions like Congressman Foley’s nasty e-mail flirtations with teenage boys or former President Clinton’s office adventures in extramarital sex with a White House intern and not over issues of great consequence for peace or war, democracy or authoritarianism, torture or human rights?"

Court Told It Lacks Power in Detainee Cases: "Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba." - Screw the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! They're just a piece of paper!

One-third support 'some torture': "Although 59% were opposed to torture, 29% thought it acceptable to use some degree of torture to combat terrorism." - Not surprisingly, the country that most supports torture is Israel.

US Army Announces Readiness for Total Military Takeover of America: "Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that final steps towards a full Military Dictatorship of the United States have been taken with the US Army announcing USARNORTH has now reached ‘full operational capacity’ and is now ready to: “Execute homeland defense and defense support of civil authorities missions”, and “Conduct the Army-to-Army portion of the theater cooperation mission with Canada and Mexico”." - This has to be a bad joke...

New pro-Israel lobby as alternative to AIPAC: "Dovish pro-Israel members of the American Jewish community are planning to set up a pro-Israel alternative to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobby (AIPAC). Among the figures behind the initiative are billionaire philanthropist George Soros, who has not been involved with Israeli issues until now, philanthropists Charles Bronfman and Mel Levine, a former Democratic congressman and now high-powered West Coast lawyer." - Oh yes, just what America needs! Top Jewish criminal families Bronfman and Levine, and the "former anti-Semite" head of MoveOn, will do so much good to America!

Nobel prize links poverty reduction to peace: "Bangladeshi economist Muhammad Yunus, the so-called "Banker to the Poor", and the Grameen Bank he founded three decades ago were the surprise winners of the award for pioneering a system of small-scale loans that has helped 6.6 million people escape the grind of poverty." - If everyone was like this man, what a world this would be. Could you imagine the Rothschilds doing the same thing?


Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story: "Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll. 'Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying? Telling the truth 16%, Hiding something 53%, Mostly lying 28%, Not sure 3%'" - How sad that PD~, Titan, ElBurro, gondee, Doyle, and MESS are in that 16%. Are you really that mentally defective, or is it that you cannot admit that I'm right? Please people, grow up.

Why people believe 9-11?: "I don't mean to attack the intelligence of Americans in particular. But there is something very wrong when Americans look at the news channels everyday and don't ask questions. There is a general stereotype concerning how dumb Americans are. In a very graphic display of their ignorance when they are asked to point out the hot spot on a map they simply cannot do it." - Thankfully, it seems this is starting to radically change.

2nd warning for Muslims to leave U.S. before attack: "Another Pakistani journalist is reporting receiving another threat – this one from a senior Taliban leader – warning all Muslims to leave the U.S. in anticipation of a major terrorist attack before the end of Ramadan. Jamal Ismail is the journalist who received the message. He formerly worked for al-Jazeera. He told the News of Pakistan that he received a phone call Oct. 5 from Afghani." - Oh yeah, another 9/11 would be so useful for the Jihad, Iran, and the Muslim world! Great idea!

Is 'Al Qaeda' the Modern Incarnation of 'Emmanuel Goldstein' from Orwell's 1984?: "As the GOP runs their TV ads warning that "Al Qaeda" is gonna GETCHA if you don't vote for GOP, it's time to ask just who Al Qaeda really is, and why they show up just when the GOP most needs them!"

London bomber's suicide video is 'linked to traitor': "The first American to be charged with treason since the Second World War is said to be the mastermind behind al-Qaeda's propaganda operations in Britain." - Adam Yahiye Gadahn is getting a LOT of press. Funny that all these stories about the "American al-Qaeda" never mention his real name, Adam Pearlman, or the fact that his grandfather was on the board of directors of the ADL. "Gadahn" is being built up in the media for some nefarious purpose.


Joan Rivers: Mel Gibson Should Die: ""He is an anti-Semitic son of a bitch. He should (expletive) die!” she declared during an interview with Celebrity Week." - This bitch doesn't like the truth. Following is a list of things Joan Rivers has contributed to humanity: ...

Poll: One-third of American voters believe in Christian Zionism: "Which of the following best explains your belief in Christian Zionism, which is defined as a belief that Israel must have all of the promised land, including Jerusalem, to facilitate the second coming of the messiah?"
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- That 16% are the braindead morons who still believe the official 9/11 fable and believe Bush is a good president.

French UNIFIL commanders say will shoot at IAF overflights: "Commanders of the French contingent of the United Nations force in Lebanon have warned that they might have to open fire if Israel Air Force warplanes continue their overflights in Lebanon." - I would like to see that!

Israel admits using phosphorus bombs during war in Lebanon: "Israel has acknowledged for the first time that it attacked Hezbollah targets during the second Lebanon war with phosphorus shells. White phosphorus causes very painful and often lethal chemical burns to those hit by it, and until recently Israel maintained that it only uses such bombs to mark targets or territory." - So I guess the use of phosphorus bombs by Israel is no longer a "conspiracy theory", since it has now been officially admitted. Will they ever admit culpability in 9/11, USS Liberty, or any of their wars?

Israel Stoops To New Lows In Weapons: "The weapon is called DIME, which means "Dense Inert Metal Explosive". It is a carbon shell that when it goes off breaks into small splinters. At the same time, there is the explosion of a charge which shoots a blade of tungsten dust charged with energy which burns and destroys everything in the radius of four meters. It kills the individual, but leaves the infrastructure. An area like New York will be a battle ground, and they don't want to lose that infrastructure. The terror aspect (burned alive) will quickly neutralize patriots."

VIDEO: Dispatches: The Killing Zone: British report on Israeli violence in Gaza against not only Palestinian civilians, but international aid volunteers and foreign reporters as well."

Anti-Zionist Jewish rabbi slams Germany for supporting Zionist regime: "Speaking at a Qods Day rally in Berlin, Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedmann, who is the chief rabbi for the anti-Zionist orthodox Jewish community in Vienna, Austria, called the Palestinians the 'real victims of the World War II'. Friedmann accused the Zionists of 'instrumentalizing the suffering of Jews in World War II in order to pursue their own objectives'. He termed 'Zionism as the great catastrophe for the Jewish religion'." - Could you imagine what would happen if events like these were properly reported in the mainstream media??

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Why is it that the more I research these things, the more RE seems to make sense...


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RE Virus wrote:
Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story: "Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll. 'Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying? Telling the truth 16%, Hiding something 53%, Mostly lying 28%, Not sure 3%'" - How sad that PD~, Titan, ElBurro, gondee, Doyle, and MESS are in that 16%. Are you really that mentally defective, or is it that you cannot admit that I'm right? Please people, grow up.


So you're saying it's sad that according to you, I'm in the 16% of people who think the official 9/11 story is telling the truth??

Let me show you once again what is sad...



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First off, I do not read history books and in fact, I hate the subject altogether, so for you to say I believe what I'm told or read about history is inaccurate.

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And by the way, along with not reading history books, I also don't watch the news on television, read newspapers, talk to people on the streets, or browse internet news...

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RE chooses to believe the outrageous and highly unlikely, most others tend to believe a bland official report that still doesn't hit the nail on the head...

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...you have me mistaken for someone who believes the media. I don't trust the media at all (for good reason), but not for any reason you have ever given.

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PD~ is so credulous that he believes the official 9/11 fairy tale

No, I don't. We've already gone over this probably about 5 times since your 9/11 conspiracy theory started months back. When you write things, I read them with full attention and then decipher it as wrong because I'm intelligent. When I post things, it doesn't seem like you're paying full attention.

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... and before RE once again tries to tell me what I believe in, I'll once again say that I don't listen to the media.

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RE, you have the memory of a 2 year old. I think I've posted in this topic (and others) at least half a dozen times that I DO NOT listen to the media, I DO NOT read the newspapers... yet your entire post was based on me believing what "they" (the media) has told me.

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Oh yeah... I also said about 6 times that I don't think the official report is correct, etiher... but I guess you conveniently chose to forget about that as well only to remind me that the crap you post is more plausible.




This is exactly the reason I stopped writing in this topic... because you don't pay attention to what anyone else writes, particularly myself. I've told you over and over and over and over and over and over all the things I just quoted, yet I'm the first name you type down in regards to the matter, completely ignoring all the times I've told you this.

Also, another thing I've said several times... it isn't news that the media is lying, yet you make it sound like it's BIG news. The only problem is, what you post is media, you just choose which media you think is lying and which isn't. When will you tell us something that you know on a personal level? Someone you know on a personal level? Something you've seen personally? No more skewed sample polls off the internet that represent less than .001% of an entire population.

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I replied to all of what you quoted, but you never replied back. Therefore, the one who doesn't listen, is you. Still, since I'm a kind guy, very unlike you, I'll reply to every one of your quotes again.


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So you're saying it's sad that according to you, I'm in the 16% of people who think the official 9/11 story is telling the truth??

Yes. Because you DO believe the official fairy tale. You know, the fable of the invisible and incredibly lucky 19 Arab hijackers who managed to professionally demolish 3 buildings simply by crashing planes into two of them, setting massive records of precedents in History that should cause all demolition companies to go bankrupt. A fantasy world where universal laws of physics and probability are suspended, and human logical senses are inexistent.


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First off, I do not read history books and in fact, I hate the subject altogether, so for you to say I believe what I'm told or read about history is inaccurate.

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And by the way, along with not reading history books, I also don't watch the news on television, read newspapers, talk to people on the streets, or browse internet news...

Then where do you get your news from? I've asked you this half a dozen times and you never respond. If it's not from the media (TV, radio, newspapers, magazines), Internet (Usenet, weblogs, podcast), nor from people on the street, and you don't get your history information from any of those nor from history books, then where do you get your information from? Hmm... let me guess... from God? It wouldn't surprise me much if you said that.

Will Mr. Arrogance ever reveal his super-secret source of all widsom and truth? Perhaps in the next chapter...

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RE chooses to believe the outrageous and highly unlikely, most others tend to believe a bland official report that still doesn't hit the nail on the head...

It's not really outrageous or highly unlikely, we've just been deceived into believing so. And why is it that you think the official reports are 'bland'? Millions of dollars in budget, hundreds of people supposedly investigating, 5 years, 5 official reports, yet YOU can do better with your "aliminum-creating-enough-heat-to-weaken-the-47-steel-columns theory"? LMAO.

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...you have me mistaken for someone who believes the media. I don't trust the media at all (for good reason), but not for any reason you have ever given.

So why don't you trust the media, if it's not for the reasons I've given? You never explain your reason...

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PD~ is so credulous that he believes the official 9/11 fairy tale

No, I don't. We've already gone over this probably about 5 times since your 9/11 conspiracy theory started months back. When you write things, I read them with full attention and then decipher it as wrong because I'm intelligent. When I post things, it doesn't seem like you're paying full attention.

I pay attention, I reply back to you, and you ignore it. You then keep the idea that what you said is true and that I should know so. I'm not sure about its name, but it's an obvious logical fallacy.

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... and before RE once again tries to tell me what I believe in, I'll once again say that I don't listen to the media.

You can repeat the same flawed premise as many times as you want. I'm telling you, 2+3 is 6, and I'm gonna ignore whatever you have to say about it and continue to say that I've told you before that 2+3 is 6.

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RE, you have the memory of a 2 year old. I think I've posted in this topic (and others) at least half a dozen times that I DO NOT listen to the media, I DO NOT read the newspapers... yet your entire post was based on me believing what "they" (the media) has told me.

Again you're saying, "I repeat: two plus three equals six"

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Oh yeah... I also said about 6 times that I don't think the official report is correct, etiher... but I guess you conveniently chose to forget about that as well only to remind me that the crap you post is more plausible.

You never point out what you think is wrong with the official report... Unless you're referring to your absurd, baseless "aluminum theory", which doesn't even start to explain anything.

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This is exactly the reason I stopped writing in this topic... because you don't pay attention to what anyone else writes, particularly myself. I've told you over and over and over and over and over and over all the things I just quoted, yet I'm the first name you type down in regards to the matter, completely ignoring all the times I've told you this.

You can't play this stupid trick on me. It's pathetic, really. Did you really think you'd have any chance of pulling off that deceptive trick? 2+3 isn't 6, regardless of many times you imply that it is.

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Also, another thing I've said several times... it isn't news that the media is lying, yet you make it sound like it's BIG news. The only problem is, what you post is media, you just choose which media you think is lying and which isn't.

The media lies by omission much more than it lies by distortion or fabrication. One or two media outlets may report something very important, but as long as all the other media outlets don't report it, the general public won't know.

Many media outlets reported critical facts of the Lebanon invasion, but you didn't hear them on FoxABCNNBBCBS, or read them on NY Times/Washington Post, etc. For example, some of those very important facts were reported by AP, SF Chronicle, Boston Times, etc, and also by Israeli media such as Ha'aretz or Ynetnews.

Do you get it now?

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When will you tell us something that you know on a personal level? Someone you know on a personal level? Something you've seen personally?

Why would I need to do that?

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If you're referring to the new 9/11 poll, it's not a "skewed sample poll" made on the Internet. It's a properly made poll by journalists of NY Times and CBS News. Read the methodology they used and you'll see how it's an accurate, scientific poll. You are on the minority now, so no more ad populum fallacies, thank you.

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I did not reply because I didn't want to bump the topic, what you said was just not worth it... you've crossed the line where you are so far in the wrong that you are just another lost soul in my mind.

Just do a little bit of research on Aktion 1005, and tell me what you find...

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wow RE...


so you believe that the holocaust was a myth and 9/11 was all a fake?




wow.

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I did not reply because I didn't want to bump the topic, what you said was just not worth it... you've crossed the line where you are so far in the wrong that you are just another lost soul in my mind.

You're letting your emotions speak. You can't logically prove me wrong, since the truth is on my side. All you can really do is resort to argumentum ad populum, ad hominem, and appeal to emotion.

Anyways, you shouldn't start with the Holocaust, it's way too big and too sensitive. You could start by taking a serious look at 9/11, or the 7/7 bombings, or the Aug 10 liquid-bombers plot, or the 2002 Bali bombing, or the OKC bombings, or take a close look at "al-Qaeda"... Once you realize all these terrorist attacks are not done by Arabs but by Israelis, a new world opens in your mind.

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wow RE... so you believe that the holocaust was a myth and 9/11 was all a fake? wow.

Can you answer this question for me: How many buildings collapsed on 9/11?

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The Exodus: 1.6m Iraqis have fled their country since the war: "Out of the population of 26 million, 1.6 million Iraqis have fled the country and a further 1.5 million are displaced within Iraq, according to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. In Jordan alone there are 500,000 Iraqi refugees and a further 450,000 in Syria. In Syria alone they are arriving at the rate of 40,000 a month. It is one of the largest long-term population movements in the Middle East since Israel expelled Palestinians in the 1940s."

U.S. can't account for some weapons for Iraqi army: "Coalition forces were not fully accountable for the 278,000 weapons that had been purchased for the Iraqis as of August, and had apparently not complied with a requirement to register the serial numbers of all the weapons, the report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction concluded." - But remember, Iran and Syria are arming the insurgency!

US withdrawal from Iraq would be disastrous for Israel: "As talk of an American withdrawal from Iraq heats up, some local experts say the removal of a strong US military presence there could be disastrous for Israel." - But great for America and Iraq!

Saddam verdict postponed: "The Bush administration has a long history of timing national security-related actions with the political calendar, and the media should be asking if it has done so again. The verdict of the Saddam Hussein trial, which was originally scheduled to be announced on October 16, 2006, has been postponed until November 5, 2006, just two days before the U.S. midterm elections."

The War in Iraq IS the Economy, Stupid!: "Is everybody in this nation an idiot? What will it take to detoxify us from the mindset created by the criminal U.S. news media? They keep telling us things that sound reasonable until we spend about eight seconds thinking about what they tell us. We are now being told that the voters of this nation (who will not have their votes counted because we are living under a coup brought to you via electronic voting, etc), consider the war in Iraq (which should more accurately be called the invasion of Iraq), a more important issue than the economy in their evaluation of candidates this vote stealing season. Well, the reality is that the Iraq war is perhaps the biggest economical issue that our nation faces. For every dollar that is spent on destroying Israel’s enemy for them a dollar is taken from a program that would benefit Americans."

Cheney Warns Iraq Terrorists Trying to Sway U.S. Election: "Terrorist groups in Iraq are stepping up their efforts to spark more deadly sectarian violence as a way of influencing how Americans will vote on Nov. 7, Vice President Dick Cheney alleged Monday in a FOX News interview in which he warned Americans not to fall for suggestions the War on Terror is losing ground in Iraq." - Oh sure, Dick, the Iraqi people aren't trying to kick out a foreign occupier, they are only trying to help the Democrats!


U.S. generals call for Democratic takeover: "Disgusted with the leadership of the Iraq war, two retired generals say the GOP must go. Plus: More than 100 current military personnel join a campaign to get the U.S. out of Iraq -- now."

Send your elected officials our free PDF guide to hacking the vote: "Shortly after we published our newest feature on electronic election fraud, "How to Steal an Election by Hacking the Vote," we received a flood of requests that we release a free copy of the article's PDF [and] suggested that the PDF should be emailed to elected officials, especially congresspersons and Secretaries of State, as a kind of wake-up call for how insecure our elections are."

U.S. digs for vote-machine links to Hugo Chavez: "In the debate about the reliability of electronic voting technology, the South Florida parent company of one of the nation's leading suppliers of touch-screen voting machines is drawing special scrutiny from the U.S. government. Federal officials are investigating whether Smartmatic, owner of Oakland, Calif.-based Sequoia Voting Systems, is secretly controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, according to two people familiar with the probe." - Couple this with the embassy bombing plot (below)... Interesting.


High radiation levels said to be found after Israel's Lebanon bombing: "Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reports." - 1.2 million cluster bombs weren't enough, no!

Israel jets fly over Lebanon despite French appeal: "Israeli warplanes swooped low over Lebanon on Monday, a day after the Jewish state rejected a call by France's defense minister to halt violations of its neighbor's airspace. The planes conducted mock raids over much of southern Lebanon and residents saw them flying low over the capital Beirut. Israeli jets have routinely flown over Lebanon since a 34-day war between Israel and Hezbollah ended" - Notice the significance of the bolded words...

Police: Hate crime never happened: "A reported anti-Semitic hate crime at the University of New Hampshire earlier this month never happened and the student who reported it has been arrested and charged with lying to authorities, police said yesterday. She told police two men shoved her up against a fence and used a number of anti-Semitic slurs related to Nazism. "It didn't happen," UNH Police Chief Nicholas Halias said yesterday." - People rarely ask, "Was it really neo-Nazis who painted those swastikas?"

Israeli attack on Germany: "The Germans reported that one of their ships sailing off the coast of Lebanon was fired upon by Israeli F-16 fighters. Israel immediately denied the incident, and then came up with a convoluted non-denial denial. Why would Israel do something this stupid? For one thing, Germany is restricted from complaining too loudly, or will receive a guaranteed reminder about the Holocaust. Israel can get away with just about anything. The real reason for the attack probably relates to one of the reasons for the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty."

Venezuela detains 2 in bomb plot on US Embassy: "Venezuelan police detained a university student outside the US Embassy on Monday, saying he left two low-intensity explosives on the street outside the diplomatic mission. No one was hurt, and the student's motives remained unclear. Wilfredo Borraz, police chief for the Baruta section of Caracas, told reporters that one of the explosives was found outside the school and one inside a planter about 50 meters (yards) from the embassy entrance. He said both were in black plastic bags and contained "small fliers with publicity alluding to Hizbullah" - the Lebanese guerrilla group." - A false-flag operation designed to link Hezbollah to Venezuela?!


Report: Syria ups military alert level: "The Syrian Defense Minister raised his army's alert level following IDF training exercises on the Golan Heights the past two days, Qatari newspaper Al-Watan reported on Wednesday. According to the report, Syrian army chief Hasan Turkmani upped the alert level in order to defend against possible Israeli aggression." - A lot of exercises going on lately...

WMD intercept exercise set to begin in the Gulf: "War games designed to intercept ships carrying weapons of mass destruction will take place for the first time today in the Gulf opposite Iran." - Like with the Saddam trial, interesting timing here.

US naval war games off the Iranian coastline: A provocation which could lead to War?: "There is a massive concentration of US naval power in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea. Two US naval strike groups are deployed: USS Enterprise, and USS Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group. The naval strike groups have been assigned to fighting the "global war on terrorism." An incident in the Persian Gulf could be used by the US as a pretext for war against Iran. A war pretext incident, similar to "the Gulf of Tonkin Incident", which triggered the Vietnam war, could be used by US forces, with a view to justifying retaliatory military action against Iran."

Warships deploy around S. Arabia oil facilities: "Coalition naval forces in the Persian Gulf are on watch for possible terror threats to oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, Western naval officials said Friday."

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If we want the news we watch it.

Where? You ain't gonna see it on TV.




News on vote fraud, Iraq, Israel, ....


Diebold demands that HBO cancel documentary on voting machines: "The program, "Hacking Democracy," is scheduled to debut Thursday, five days before the 2006 U.S. midterm elections. The film claims that Diebold voting machines aren't tamper-proof and can be manipulated to change voting results." - You can watch it online at Google Video (it might not last long there).

America's last chance: "If Republicans steal the election again, and Democrats are silent again, and the media again won't report it... If fraud is all over the blogs but the reports never crack the mainstream media... If there's no outcry, no furious protests that threaten to shut down this criminal government... Then it will finally, inarguable be clear that both parties, and the media, are in on the fix. It will finally be obvious, even to stubborn hold-outs like me, that democracy is over in America."

"Elections" in America: "The truly depressing part of this is that even if the machines were not or could not be rigged, the election still sucks. I have seen my fair share of campaign ads lately and the overriding theme of nearly every add is how bad the other guy is. No candidates speak of their positive accomplishments (because they have none) but rather they choose to slam their opponent. And face it- there is no two party system. The goal of each and every candidate is to do what they can for their benefit ($$) and those who put them in office. What the people who voted for them want isn't even relevant or considered. It gets back to the "lesser of two evils" mentality, but when both choices are equally evil, who do you vote for?"

GOP making phone calls to DEM voters, misleading them to believe harrassing robocalls coming from DEMS: "Again, what we're talking about here are calls which purport to be from candidate A when in fact they're from candidate B and which call back repeatedly if you hang up before the call is finished. They're intentionally harassing calls -- meant to stick the blame on the other candidate." - This is another form of vote fraud... Amazing.

Count The Votes - The MCA Torture Bill Didn't Pass: "So these worthies stomped on the Bill of Rights and pissed on the graves of REAL patriots like Madison, Jefferson and Franklin, and passed a bill into law allowing state security (SS) orgs to arrest anyone, torture them and hold them indefinitely without recourse. But wait. Did the law really pass?"

Neocons turn on Bush for incompetence over Iraq war: "Several prominent neoconservatives have turned on George Bush days before critical midterm elections, lambasting his administration for incompetence in the handling of the Iraq war and questioning the wisdom of the 2003 invasion they were instrumental in promoting. Richard Perle and Kenneth Adelman, who were both Pentagon advisers before the war, Michael Rubin, a former senior official in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, and David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter..." - Looks like the criminal neocons are trying to distance themselves from their puppet's destroyed reputation, or maybe even trying to jump off a sinking ship.


War simulation in 1999 pointed out Iraq invasion problems: "A series of secret U.S. war games in 1999 showed that an invasion and post-war administration of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, nearly three times the number there now." - In other words, they KNEW they could not successfully invade Iraq with the resources they had, but did it anyway. Cui bono?

Bush Says U.S. Pullout Would Let Iraq Radicals Use Oil as a Weapon: "During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, President Bush and his aides sternly dismissed suggestions that the war was all about oil. "Nonsense," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld declared. "This is not about that," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. Now, more than 3 1/2 years later, someone else is asserting that the war is about oil -- President Bush."

The more-than-$2-trillion war: "Two scholars, one a Nobel Prize winner, revisit their estimate of the true cost of the Iraq war – and find that $2 trillion was too low. They consider not only the current and future budgetary costs, but the economic impact of lives lost, jobs interrupted and oil prices driven higher by political uncertainty in the Middle East."
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This was a guilty verdict on America as well: "So America's one-time ally has been sentenced to death for war crimes he committed when he was Washington's best friend in the Arab world. America knew all about his atrocities and even supplied the gas - along with the British..." - Not only that, but it appears that those particular Kurds he is accused of murdering were killed by Iran, not by Iraq. Also, Amnesty International has condemned the fraudulent Saddam trial and the death sentence, describing the trial as a "shabby affair, marred by serious flaws".


British believe Bush is more dangerous than Kim Jong-il: "America is now seen as a threat to world peace by its closest neighbours and allies, according to an international survey of public opinion published today that reveals just how far the country's reputation has fallen among former supporters since the invasion of Iraq."
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Bush 'would understand' attack on Iran: "President Bush reportedly said he would "understand" a preemptive Israeli strike against Iran s nuclear sites." - Bush is saying that it is okay with him for Israel, which HAS nuclear weapons, has NOT signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, and does NOT allow inspections of their weapons plant (which is leaking contaminated water at the moment), to bomb Iran's nuclear power stations, even though Iran does NOT have nuclear weapons, DOES allow inspections, and IS a signer (along with the US) of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which states quite clearly that signing nations have a right to build such power stations and make fuel for them.

Are Israelis gearing up to bomb Iran?: "The Middle East is abuzz with ugly rumours. One of them is so dire - and comes from sources in so many capital cities - that it has to be taken seriously. The suggestion is that the Israeli government has served notice on the White House that it must take pre-emptive action against Iran's sites of nuclear weapons development - or Israel will go it alone and do the job itself. Israel has apparently given Bush a deadline of six months."

U.S. speeds attack plans for North Korea: "The Pentagon has stepped up planning for attacks against North Korea's nuclear program and is bolstering nuclear forces in Asia, said defense officials familiar with the highly secret process. The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the accelerated military planning includes detailed programs for striking a North Korean plutonium-reprocessing facility at Yongbyon with special operations commando raids or strikes with Tomahawk cruise missiles or other precision-guided weapons. The effort had been under way for several months..." - You can't attack a nation when they have nuclear weapons... That's the point of having nuclear weapons.

Six Arab states join rush to go nuclear: "The countries involved were named by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as Algeria, Egypt, Morocco and Saudi Arabia. Tunisia and the UAE have also shown interest." - This is either the best that could happen, or the worst that could happen, depending on the Zionist's level of insanity. Would they be insane enough to go nuclear on the entire Mideast? More likely than not.

Deadly cluster bombs haunt Lebanese: "During the war, nearly 1,200 people in Lebanon, mostly civilians, and 157 Israelis, mostly soldiers, were killed. And lives are still being lost. Between August 14 and October 8, around 20 people were killed in southern Lebanon by cluster munitions. Land mine activists said last month that cluster bombs are still killing or injuring three to four civilians a day, a third of them children."

Ethiopians outraged over blood disposal: "Ethiopian communities respond with rage at Channel 2 report that revealed blood donated by Ethiopians is frozen and disposed of." - Would YOU accept blood from an Ethiopian? What would happen if a Goy nation discarded blood donated by Jews? How obvious does it have to be? The Ashkenazis don't consider any of us to be "human". Maybe one reason they consider us to be "talking animals" is the ease at which they can bribe us, fool us into fighting wars, and trick us into letting them take over our media, banking system, etc.


Too many people are tuning out of the news: "The traditional news media in the US are in a state of turmoil. Some of the biggest newspaper chains – first Knight Ridder and now Tribune Company – have put themselves up for sale. Network news broadcasters are slashing their budgets, the latest and most savage example being the cuts heralded by NBC Universal two weeks ago. No wonder there is a siege mentality in newsrooms around the land. Investors seem to be concluding that this is an industry with no future." - Great news. Let's drive these criminals out of bussiness!

There Is More To The Haggard Affair: "All you need to do is look at the media reaction to see who is behind it." - Is Ted Haggard really the filthy liar he's being portrayed as by the media?

Doubletree video release to 'shock & awe' before election?: "“The FBI has agreed to release to Judicial Watch a videotape [of 9/11] obtained from the Doubletree Hotel near the Pentagon by November 9, 2006.” - Judicial Watch"

US divided on existence of God: "Nearly half of Americans are not sure God exists, according to a poll released today that also found divisions among the public on whether God is male or female or whether God has a human form and has control over events."

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Listen, I do get this news, except for the random hate sites with revisionist history.

It's nothing provocative talking about how much the United States is fucking up...

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