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Fairies and spagetti monsters aren't considered Gods, so a belief about them wouldn't ever count as a religion.Morf wrote:By your logic, would you say I am in a religion because I have no proof fairies don't exist? I don't believe in them, and some people do.
They can't prove they exist, but believe. I can't prove they don't exist, and don't believe. I don't think it qualifies as religion. In the same way (example) I could say you're in a religion of anti-spagetti monster, simply because you can't prove it doesn't exist, and you don't believe in it.
'Atheism' as you're describing it is apathetic agnosticism.Morf wrote:Athiesm doesn't say god doesn't exist, but say that a god probably doesn't exist. We don't know.
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That's gnostic Atheism.doyle wrote:Postive atheism -> affirming the claim that god doesn't exist.
That's agnostic Atheism.doyle wrote:Negative atheism -> denying the claim that god exists.
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What does it mean? Like what does it effect?Lord Elevation wrote:But we already categorized the words!
Can you not tell me what they mean?
What does it mean if I believe in a god? Or a higher power? Or if I don't?
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MarcusAnnex wrote:Fairies and spagetti monsters aren't considered Gods, so a belief about them wouldn't ever count as a religion.Morf wrote:By your logic, would you say I am in a religion because I have no proof fairies don't exist? I don't believe in them, and some people do.
They can't prove they exist, but believe. I can't prove they don't exist, and don't believe. I don't think it qualifies as religion. In the same way (example) I could say you're in a religion of anti-spagetti monster, simply because you can't prove it doesn't exist, and you don't believe in it.'Atheism' as you're describing it is apathetic agnosticism.Morf wrote:Athiesm doesn't say god doesn't exist, but say that a god probably doesn't exist. We don't know.
Here's a quick run through of spiritual beliefs:
If you think God(s) exist you're a theist. This is a religious belief.
If you think they don't you're an atheist. This is a religious belief.
If you think it's possible to know either way you're a gnostic. This is a philosophical belief. It's also ignorant.
If you think there's no way to know you're an agnostic. This is a philosophical belief.
Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:35 pm
Morf wrote:MarcusAnnex wrote:Fairies and spagetti monsters aren't considered Gods, so a belief about them wouldn't ever count as a religion.Morf wrote:By your logic, would you say I am in a religion because I have no proof fairies don't exist? I don't believe in them, and some people do.
They can't prove they exist, but believe. I can't prove they don't exist, and don't believe. I don't think it qualifies as religion. In the same way (example) I could say you're in a religion of anti-spagetti monster, simply because you can't prove it doesn't exist, and you don't believe in it.'Atheism' as you're describing it is apathetic agnosticism.Morf wrote:Athiesm doesn't say god doesn't exist, but say that a god probably doesn't exist. We don't know.
Here's a quick run through of spiritual beliefs:
If you think God(s) exist you're a theist. This is a religious belief.
If you think they don't you're an atheist. This is a religious belief.
If you think it's possible to know either way you're a gnostic. This is a philosophical belief. It's also ignorant.
If you think there's no way to know you're an agnostic. This is a philosophical belief.
If you would like to label atheism a 'religious belief' then you would have to categorise it more than just a non-belief in a god. Non-belief alone doesn't make someone religious, it would be devotion to that idea which would make them religious.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:46 am
QuotidianPerfection wrote:Hi All:
I believe in Christianity (Calvinism). To understand my convictions, let me explain what the Calvinist (named after the Reformer John Calvin) acronym TULIP means.
T = Total depravity of man (this includes men and women). Since the Fall, humans can do only evil, although God restrains sin.
U = Unconditional election. God predestines who He wants to save and who He wants to damn. The norm is this: all condemned individuals are declared to achieve wickedness; however, the unrighteous people's choices in life fulfill God's proclamation that they will do evil--He does not cause them to do evil. The Holy Spirit caused those destined to be saved to ask that Jesus Christ save them, and, once this action is performed, God causes the saved to act righteously.
L = Limited atonement. While it is true that Christ's death on the cross has the potential of saving everyone, only the people who God selects will seek Christ's mercy; others will reject Him, seeking other paths than the "narrow way" which Christ says is a must in the Bible.
I = Irresistible grace. At a certain point in time, sinners drawn to the gospel will cry out to God for mercy, and have all their sins forgiven.
P = Perseverance of the saints. Once saved, a person can never lose their salvation.
Take care,
QP
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Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:01 pm
QuotidianPerfection wrote:
Let me take the paragraph above further. Christians who follow the Bible are authentic to their religion, but Christians who murder, steal, and commit other atrocities do not live according their Christian faith. The same thing can be said for atheists. Atheists who are horrified at child abuse and other wrongdoings are not acting as atheists, but showing that the Christian belief in a firm divide between right and wrong with respect to ethicality is, in fact, the case. Atheists who blow up buildings and participate in other types of conduct Christians denounce as evil are merely acting in accordance to their belief that no morality exists, and, as such, can act however they want without fear of moral repercussions. I would argue that you are an atheist who accepts a Christian, rather than an atheistic, perspective.
QuotidianPerfection wrote:
Christians, contrary to popular beliefs, do not shun logic. Yes, maybe Adam and Eve did not know how to discern good from evil, but that still doesn't excuse their behavior. When God told them that they are not to touch or eat forbidden fruit on penalty of death, the Edenic duo understand perfectly that touching or eating outlawed substance is prohibited, as the logical conjunction "not" indicates, and that there is a consequence for their behavior, even if Adam and Eve do not know what "death" is. Logical thinking does not require that one know about good and evil, either--it can be used to evaluate propositions independent of them.
QuotidianPerfection wrote:Finally, God's prohibition of Adam and Eve knowledge did not apply to art, history (in Prelapsarian Eden, it would probably be what happened beforehand), literature, maths, science, and other subjects--it just disallowed them from having knowledge of good and evil.
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