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Who do you want to win?
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NOW i get it your just too stupid to read


Entirely across the line. EBT if you can't stop becoming personal then you will be banned from this forum. It's as simple as that. This will be your only warning. I would suggest both you and PD tone down the attacking nature of your posts before one of you crosses the line.

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Your stupid

Dude, I would suggest you not post here at all if you're not going to contribute anything. The next time you post something dumb like this I will ban you from this forum, I don't care if you are joking. In fact, I would suggest no scrubs post here at all if you can't carry on a meaningful conversation. This is not the playground where you can get away with useless posts like this - it's The Lodge where you are either serious or you are banned from the Lodge.

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NOW i get it your just too stupid to read

lisa siad that the first mention of kuwait was by YOU (as in PD~) it was in very simple plain english and you STILL manage to fuck it upi HIGHLY suggest that you learn to read and you just MIGHT beable to debate with me (and its factualy true too not a single post of mine has an edit and ive quoted and enumberated the first appearance of the first gulf was was wait for it BY YOU


BlackDth wasn't talking about me. He even said so himself. He IMed me laughing his ass off about your post because you still didn't get it even after it was explained to you.

And it doesn't matter what "Lisa" said, I didn't bring up Kuwait specifically first. Check the entire thread and you'll notice I didn't say it once until after you mentioned it and I responded to you.

I mean, are we serious? Are you just joking with me on this whole thing? Even when you quote something from someone else, you still get it wrong. It's strange and I'm having a tough time believing anyone could be that unaware. You've even had a few other people post on here saying they understand what I'm saying, but you don't make any sense at all.

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Heh, so the only way to "debate" with you is to admit that Lisa was right about something that can simply be checked and disproven?

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and now you yourself addmited that yes PD was back peddaling


Haha... actually, I called you ignorant and implied that you were mentally incapable of upholding a reasonable debate. Thanks for doing all the work for me.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:03 am  Post subject:   
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Your stupid

Dude, I would suggest you not post here at all if you're not going to contribute anything. The next time you post something dumb like this I will ban you from this forum, I don't care if you are joking. In fact, I would suggest no scrubs post here at all if you can't carry on a meaningful conversation. This is not the playground where you can get away with useless posts like this - it's The Lodge where you are either serious or you are banned from the Lodge.[/quote]

Your the leader of the forum so i'll be nice from now on but on a better note tell me who you thinks going to be president

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NOW i get it your just too stupid to read

lisa siad that the first mention of kuwait was by YOU (as in PD~) it was in very simple plain english and you STILL manage to fuck it upi HIGHLY suggest that you learn to read and you just MIGHT beable to debate with me (and its factualy true too not a single post of mine has an edit and ive quoted and enumberated the first appearance of the first gulf was was wait for it BY YOU


BlackDth wasn't talking about me. He even said so himself. He IMed me laughing his ass off about your post because you still didn't get it even after it was explained to you.

And it doesn't matter what "Lisa" said, I didn't bring up Kuwait specifically first. Check the entire thread and you'll notice I didn't say it once until after you mentioned it and I responded to you.

I mean, are we serious? Are you just joking with me on this whole thing? Even when you quote something from someone else, you still get it wrong. It's strange and I'm having a tough time believing anyone could be that unaware. You've even had a few other people post on here saying they understand what I'm saying, but you don't make any sense at all.


and you came to me complaining abouyt me trying to define small points in the religon thread you said "bush had a war" to deal with and i said war in kuaite (you also said gulf war numerous time sbefore i said my statment) your once again back pedalling and once AGAIN pulling the conversation off of the topic of the economy

and to black deth first way to flamebait and second now that ive established that PD is either wrong or being hypocritcial (his choice) you still dont seem to understand how much you arnt hellping him


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all of your posts are flamebait, because they have no fluff...

"your too dumb too raed didnt you relize i was rgith becuase lisa said so?!?!"

That's NOT a debate.

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"bush had a war" to deal with and i said war in kuaite


Umm... so what you're saying is, you were the first one to bring up Kuwait?

"Bush's War" doesn't mean "Kuwait" :)



So anyways, is our economy doing poorly? Why not get us started, EBT?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:21 pm  Post subject:   
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Tell me does anybody else think that bushes dad couldnt finish the job so George w bush took iraq :poke

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and you came to me complaining abouyt me trying to define small points in the religon thread you said "bush had a war" to deal with and i said war in kuaite (you also said gulf war numerous time sbefore i said my statment) your once again back pedalling and once AGAIN pulling the conversation off of the topic of the economy

and to black deth first way to flamebait and second now that ive established that PD is either wrong or being hypocritcial (his choice) you still dont seem to understand how much you arnt hellping him


Finally, you admit that you brought up Kuwait first. I brought up the war as a whole in general, you brought up Kuwait specifically. Now, was that so hard? You were wrong, how does it feel?

Also, we aren't even talking about economics anymore and we haven't been for some time now. You've been wasting every post trying to say false things about me and I keep putting you in your place and you just call it backpedalling because you don't know anything else to say. It's your only ammunition. You have the same arguement everytime and each time you do, more people disagree with you and I have to yet waste more posts directed towards you just to show everyone how wrong you are. If you haven't noticed, more and more people agree with me and they question you because no one even sort of knows what you're talking about. In fact, other than your fiancee' who doesn't really count for obvious reasons, no one has agreed with anything you've said. You don't make any sense ever, you make blatantly wrong statements, you even quote others and still get it wrong for everyone to see. Just like BlackDth said, you're doing all the work for me to prove your ignorance and everyone is taking notice.

And finally, Witch King... Bush Sr. didn't get the job done because he lost the election to Clinton who didn't finish the job, but instead went in another direction. W. Bush is continueing what his father started, there's no question about it. And there's nothing bad about that either. Everything would have been settled much sooner if Clinton wasn't so damn lazy.

And has anyone noticed what's been going on with Kerry/Edwards? Kerry was quoted to bashing everything about Edwards, then after he asked him to be his running mate, he went back on everything he said and even said the opposite of a lot of things. Also, Kerry said he holds many conservative values (particularly in the midwest), but his voting record shows that he is the MOST liberal member of the senate. What a liar.

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Tell me does anybody else think that bushes dad couldnt finish the job so George w bush took iraq :poke


I tottally agree with u there :cheers :yes

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At least someone likes what I put Thanks nad416 Oh and im totaly for Karry everyone

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At least someone likes what I put Thanks nad416 Oh and im totaly for Karry People


Apparently you did read my response to you.

Do you like "Kerry" people as well? I guess you enjoy being lied to, then.

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and you came to me complaining abouyt me trying to define small points in the religon thread you said "bush had a war" to deal with and i said war in kuaite (you also said gulf war numerous time sbefore i said my statment) your once again back pedalling and once AGAIN pulling the conversation off of the topic of the economy

and to black deth first way to flamebait and second now that ive established that PD is either wrong or being hypocritcial (his choice) you still dont seem to understand how much you arnt hellping him


Finally, you admit that you brought up Kuwait first. I brought up the war as a whole in general, you brought up Kuwait specifically. Now, was that so hard? You were wrong, how does it feel?



ill tell you when it happens the war was in kuwait you broght up the war ergo you brought up kuwait bush had ample time to finish the war as we had left before the election had happend and now his kid has gone out and wasted a lot of american lives to caputer a man who said he wanted to kill his father

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Wasted American lives? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you know how many lives would have been taken had we done nothing? Geez, man... don't you have compassion for your own well being? We're being protected right now. Each American soldier's death is saving thousands of lives here at home, you don't seem to understand this concept. It's not just about Hussain and Iraq, it's about the rest of the world who were getting ideas of attacking us. Don't for a second think that we are safe just sitting here and "negotiating." Anyone with half a mind knows that a lot of these terrorist nations could care less about "coming to terms" and "getting along." Peace talks won't work, we already tried it for several months and each time we were more or less told, "Go fuck yourself." They hate us so much that they would sacrifice their own people just to take us out. These people don't have a soul. They care about one thing and one thing only and that's to someday be dominant over us. They know deep down they never will be, but it's what drives them to the point that they'll kill as many of us as they can. As I explained to your fiancee', if you're willing to take the "chance" that nothing would happen had we not gone to war, then I find it very hard to believe that you care for the future lives of your children and their children. There is no chance in the matter. We put our foot down and immediately we got results. The war has been a tremendous success for the US despite several soldiers dying. And honestly ,don't you think Hussain knew about 9/11 before it happened. It might have been targeted as coming from Afghanastan and Bin Ladin, but Hussain had too much Middle Eastern power to "not know." The war was last resort, but it was necessary. As for the casualties of Iraqi innocents, that's the nature of war.

Also, you mentioned Kushenach. What about him? He's not running for president (unless it's some other small party) and his voting record doesn't prove to be as liberal as Kerry's. Kerry is the MOST liberal according to senate voting since he became senator. So what does that have to do with anyone else? See, why do you always bring up something else that is irrelevant to what we're talking about?

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At least someone likes what I put Thanks nad416 Oh and im totaly for Karry everyone


Ive been agreeing with most of the stuff u say, but never said much. I also agree with ebt on alot of stuff :cheers

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nad = left wing extremest/communist

Hitler would have been proud of the way you think.

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pd~ = conservative extremest

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Yes, and that's a good thing. Communists killed millions of people for sport and only care about themselves. Conservatives are Pro-Life and care about the well being of the human race. I'm glad you see that in me. :pimp

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As there is another false statement, which hurts my eye:

Hitler was one of the most conservative leader ever. He's a NATIONALIST, which means right wing, right to the edge right, conservative to the bone. And he hated Communists. Besides the Jews he mostly killed "Communists".

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I think you're both missing the points of the terms used.

Conservative means "representative of the status quo." Typically think things are going very well as they are and doesn't see a need to change things.

Liberal means "representative of the force for change." Typically has ideas on how things could be better if this or that were changed.

The original Republican party was very liberal. Remember, the first Republican president was Abe Lincoln, and I think we can say things changed under his administration (Civil War? What was that? :) )

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And has anyone noticed what's been going on with Kerry/Edwards? Kerry was quoted to bashing everything about Edwards, then after he asked him to be his running mate, he went back on everything he said and even said the opposite of a lot of things. Also, Kerry said he holds many conservative values (particularly in the midwest), but his voting record shows that he is the MOST liberal member of the senate. What a liar.


This is just typical politics. Frequently the second-strongest contender in the primaries is a solid choice for Veep, which requires a lot of backpedaling. Bush would have done it in 2000 if McCain had accepted his invitation to share the ticket.

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and if kerry was the most liberal member of the senate what about kushenach


Kuchnich is running the most liberal platform - different story from voting record. And Kerry isn't the most liberal voter - just very high on the list (between Sens. Kennedy and boxer, IIRC.)

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Hitler was one of the most conservative leader ever. He's a NATIONALIST, which means right wing, right to the edge right, conservative to the bone. And he hated Communists. Besides the Jews he mostly killed "Communists".


Remember, Nazi was short for National Socialist. The Nazis became conservatives once they took over and became the status quo. Totalitarianist conservatives, but conservatives never-the-less. And he wasn't killing Communists - Stalin was still in charge during WW2, and the true Communist revolution didn't finish until the early 50s.

Yes, the defenition of conservatism can change over time and as ideologies flow through places of power.

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I know for what Nazi stands as a word and I know for what it stands in meaning. And the national "socialists" never were socialists in any way. And when I say he killed Communists, then I know that one of the first enemys he had was the left wing of Germany, which are at least nowadays called a Communist-party. And he murdered a lot of them.

Stalin was just a "long dictator intermezzo" in the Sovjet Republic. Lenin and Trotzki have already realized their theories before him. Whatever that's just talking to show whos the better historic freak and wasn't my point.
The point that someone says if you're a communist, Hitler would have been proud of you, is ridiculous and plain wrong. That was my point.

Missinformations like that are the main reasons for terror. You take the simple uneducated fearful guys, take all your hateful motives and say they are somehow related to a bad person, like Hitler, even the uneducated one knows. And bang you have one more potential nonselfthinker-orderobeyer.

And as I'm ranting along now, one more thing more ontopic but still fitting to terror. Today as I went to work I found one reason in my mind why I would prefer Bush rather than Kerry: There would be a lesser chance for a second "Oklahoma incident".


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As there is another false statement, which hurts my eye:

Hitler was one of the most conservative leader ever. He's a NATIONALIST, which means right wing, right to the edge right, conservative to the bone. And he hated Communists. Besides the Jews he mostly killed "Communists".

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Good call. I've always associated Nazis with communists. I guess I was wrong.

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Hitler didn't kill Jews and Communists. He killed Jews, Christians, and all those that hid the "lesser race" from them. Hitler was a full blooded Evolutionist and believed that Germans were the "higher race" and Jews were the "lowest race". I never thought that fact would get messed up, but I guess I should of expected it. Every other fact is messed up. Like they are saying our first US President George Washington was not a Christian, but of a religion that didn't organize till much later after his death. Biggest bullcrap if I ever heard any. It's hard to know what's true even by historical accounts. People are being paid to change historical accounts in books and articles with the only reason is just so it doesn't "offend" the public. It's a real shame.. Don't be fooled, Communists were fully behind it and you all know it. When it was approaching 2000 Communists got the crazy idea that the earth is too crowded, and to factual knowledge since then they have been spreading major diseases, and many outbreaks to decrease the populations. If another worldwide disease spreads very rapidly, then think about what I just said. Anyway..., Bush is best card and leader America has right now. Accept it, or prove me wrong.

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Bush is best card and leader America has right now. Accept it, or prove me wrong.


Bush is most definitly not a good leader because he is a moron and wants to finish what his dad didnt. And he is a loser because he backed out of the military and didnt fight cuz he is a wimp.And he calls himself a "war president" when he himself never fought Gore actually went and fought in the vietanam war.

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Bush is best for right now. BEcause when the Gulf war was going on Clinton just left before it was really over. 8 years later. Turn on the tv 9.11. But if we stay there till we get the head terroristes it would be better. Thats why im on bushes side. The thing I hate about bush is he actually gave Sadam a chance. WTF! We have a history of him! He fucking admitted to it. Chop his fucking head off. Bush shows to much mercy. Still hes best for right now because hes used to handling the war.


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